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lostagain
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Topic: Battery Drain Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 6:38pm |
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We've been using these batteries since we got ourPod and use them with our Sonoma. They work great, are work horses, and are reasonably priced. As long as you keep the water level correctly, they will last many years. The specs for the battery are stated in the link. https://www.costco.com/interstate-6-volt-golf-cart-battery.product.100476406.html
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6289 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 7:16pm | |
There is a difference. Most RPods come with one group 24 size 12V battery. They are so-called marine batteries which are neither full-on starting batteries nor true deep cycle batteries. A GC-2 6V battery is significantly bigger and heavier than the typical battery. I won't argue the point that there are a few 12V batteries that are an exception, but when comparing the typical 12V battery with a pair of GC-2 batteries, the GC-2 batteries will be much heavier than a single 12V battery which is the usual set-up. An exception is the Trojan 12V battery at 85 pounds. Still the GC-2 batteries are about 60 pounds each so two of them will weigh in at about 120 pounds. That is a lot of lead. As for if they both were the same size, a 6V battery would have less dividers and likely have a bit more lead, but reality is that they are different sizes. Try to find a 20 hour rating on your 12V battery. You usually see cold cranking amperes, but not the 20 hour rate for 12V batteries.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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Grinkle192
Newbie Joined: 15 Oct 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 8:45pm | |
StephenH - "when comparing the typical 12V battery with a pair of GC-2 batteries,
the GC-2 batteries will be much heavier than a single 12V battery" This makes sense to me. I also see that the stock battery on my new 192 is a Marine battery, and I agree with your assessment that it is not true deep cycle. If I replace it with a 100Ah Lithium (not sure I would, but if I did upgrade, that is likely what I would consider) would the A/C charger be able to charge it, do you know?
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6289 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 8:56pm | |
Read my mods, and you will see what I did. I am hoping that the projected much longer lifespan of the LiFePO4 battery will pay off in the long run. Short term, the two 6V GC-2 batteries connected in series is much less outlay, but they do have a shorter lifespan. You would need to determine if you will be keeping your R-Pod long enough to recoup the investment in an LiFePO4 battery. I always thought that if I did change, I could revert the system to stock and move the battery and DC to DC charger to a new trailer.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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Colt
Senior Member Joined: 16 Nov 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 383 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 11:53pm | |
Actually, if you match A-Hr capacity, two 6v and two 12v batteries will be very close to the same weight. The plate area required to get 200 a-Hrs has to be the same. 12v batteries have more cell dividers, so there's a little more plastic in them. I had to replace my power center board because it was overcharging the battery and had a large voltage swing. The replacement Main Boards are almost all WF-8955-AD-MBA that autodetects Li vs Pb batteries and charges accordingly. It costs about $200 mail order. However, I run a LiFePO4 battery in my Miata. I bought the dedicated charger for it, but the manufacturer states that a normal PbSO4 charger may be used as long as its voltage does not go too high. Typical, simple brute force chargers must be watched to keep the voltage below spec (15.3V?).
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John
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6289 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 7:32am | |
Okay, the WF-8955-AD-MBA was not available when I did my LiFePO4 conversion. I guess the newer RVs will have the WF-8955-AD power center so that will mean that part of what I had to do would not be needed. The DC to DC charger would still be needed though if one wanted to charge an LiFePO4 battery while driving.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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Grinkle192
Newbie Joined: 15 Oct 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 7:34am | |
StephenH - I'm going through your mods list - its fantastic. The things you have done are things I feel competent to attempt, and I really like the function-first approach you take. The Great Stuff molding for the hitch box is genius. I haven't gotten to the battery mod yet, and I'm not going to fast forward, its all great stuff. Thanks for compiling it all and for referring me there!
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jato
Senior Member Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Kewadin, MI Online Status: Offline Posts: 3227 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 8:36am | |
What is the projected or expected lifespan of a LiFePO4 battery and will that vary due to where you are located; hot verses cold climates?
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God's pod
'11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
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Linda&Gino
Newbie Joined: 04 Jun 2017 Location: New Mexico Online Status: Offline Posts: 32 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 9:06am | |
We're being told that the LifePO4 batteries in our new RV will last 10 years as long as the batteries stay between -20F and 115F.
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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD! 2022 Escape 5.0 TA 2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5 Triumph T120 Bonneville |
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jato
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 10:29am | |
That being said then it makes sense stay with the old technology (lead acid battery) if looking at it from a purely dollar and cents point of view. My cost so far with an old 11+ year old Interstate (cost when new $ 80 divided by 11 years is $ 7.27/year and will continue to drop as battery ages. My newer Trojan cost $ 220 back in August 2021 so IF it were to last only 10 years the cost is still only $ 22/year. Do not know the cost of the lithium battery but I also know you need to change out the converter and that comes at a cost as well. The cheapest LiPO4 battery I saw was a Dakota for $ 399. The best price I could find for a converter for a lithium battery was made by Progressive Dynamics which is priced at $ 274. So . . . . . . . battery + converter = $ 673 and IF it lasts 10 years the yearly cost is $ 67.30/year or over triple the cost of using lead acid and that is if you use the cheapest battery and converter that i found available.
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God's pod
'11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
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