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    Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 11:34am
Actually fuel is cheaper now in inflation adjusted dollars than it was in 1980. Vehicles are a bit more but they have many more features and are much more reliable and safer. Fuel taxes fund less and less of our highway maintenace costs over time. It is clear that the 1980 deregulation of the trucking industry was what changed what used to be a good blue collar occupation into yet another starvation wage job, and cheap shipping is what has made the Big Box and later the internet sales corporations rich.   

If you look at the state of European society before and after the Black Death of the 1340's you'll notice that the disruption that event caused actually ended up being good for the poor and working class of that period.

There was a labor surplus before and a big shortage after. Many people took advantage of that situation to begin a slow climb out of poverty and institutional stagnation, resulting eventually in the Renaissance.

Of course the rich and powerful were unhappy because they couldn't get enough ppl to work of starvation wages as they used to, and because their control of society was shaken. That's always how it is.

You hear the same kind of thing now from the same folks so maybe this will wind up being a good thing too. I sure hope so.
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What makes it especially difficult for drivers is the fact that transport companies, warehousing companies, shipping terminals, and so on.  For example, there are far too many reports claiming that they won't even permit the truckers to use the facilities while they're waiting to pick up cargo or a container.  As for regulation, the industry has been substantially deregulated since 1980, which coincides with the decline of wages.  Drivers are driving dangerously longer hours and are not getting the rest that was once mandated.  Since 2010 there has been a 43% increase in interstate truck accidents according to the National Safety Council.

Long distance truck driving is a miserable job with inhuman hours and working conditions, low pay, and adverse effects on one's health.  One trick a friend of mine, who was president of a national moving company, told me about was a situation in which transport companies did rent to own deals with "owner operators."  The driver made the payments from his earnings, then as the end of the term was closing in and he was about to be granted title to the truck, the company started giving him less work so he couldn't make the payments.  The company claimed a default and took the truck back leaving him with all the money he invested in the $125,000+ truck down the drain.  It's no wonder no one wants to work as a long haul driver.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mjlrpod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:44am
Personally, I wouldn't buy a new pod, or other brand right now. I've seen on some pod models, they are sending out "unfinished" pods. They are missing some of the what should be standard equipment. I've seen some with no door window, some without the glass door, or some with different windows than normal, and some missing other parts. I'm sure they are just sticking in whatever parts they can get, and not redesigning the fit for the "new" part. I'm sure this is happening industry wide. Once things normalize, these few year models will be a "buyer beware" model. 
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Also needed to go into that figure are increased fuel costs, increased equipment costs, increased taxes, increased regulations, etc. that make it much more difficult for drivers.
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Much of the price increases we are seeing can be attributed to the effects of Covid on the international supply chain and how it affected the psychology of those in the domestic labor market.  People don't want to work for inadequate pay and are refusing to work in low paying jobs with poor working conditions.  

One good example is the trucking industry.  There is a critical shortage of drivers, resulting in transport bottlenecks in the movement of supplies.  Truckers are now mostly paid by the mile, not by the time on the job.  When they wait for a day and a half to hook up a load, they are not making money.  When they arrive at a terminal and again have to wait, and wait, and wait to unload, they are working for free.  Real truckers' pay has actually declined.  If a trucker was paid a 1980 wage in constant 2015 Dollars, s/he'd be making about $110,000 a year instead of the average pay of today at about $50K a year.  Until we resolve supply chain and logistics issues, there will be shortages and prices will reflect the law of supply and demand.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote offgrid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 7:55pm
I recently sold my trailer with a plan to get back into aviation instead. Thought that the trailer sale was great as I made a few $k on it, till I discovered that aircraft have gone up a few $10k's. And now there is a 6 month wait-list for Garmin aviation gps navigators due to the infamous "chip shortage".

Oh well, it's only money. Buy high, sell low, that's my motto.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote furpod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 7:44pm
also.. "what I paid" is no indication.. Compare MSRP to MSRP...

To put that in perspective, when we bought our 177, we paid $13.7K off the lot.. The MSRP was about $20K. Right now, getting any instock unit under MSRP is probably impossible. Doesn't mean the price has gone up, or has not.. means the "deals" have dried up.. supply and demand and all that. No doubt the cost of materials is also driving the price up some also. I recently spoke to the R-pod plant manager, and it's a nightmare up there, sourcing parts, components, and materials.. and workers.

Our current rig, we paid $37K off the lot, on a 2017 MSRP of $46K.. But it appears I could sell it for +45K today, if I was so inclined. But it's replacement would be in the neighborhood of $65K, no dealing, full MSRP, and a wait.. so.. not happening. 
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  A few months back we remodeled our bathroom and installed a new shower enclosure and had to wait few months for it to be delivered and was told there was a shortage of resin across the country used to manufacture the shower. The shortage of materials used to manufacture a camper may of driven up the price as I found out also happened when we just recently bought a bicycle. Hopefully things will get back to normal soon and manufactures will have a plentiful supply of the parts and materials they use to manufacture things like campers and bicycles.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PilotPodder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 5:50pm
I have been tracking a couple high volume dealers for my news stats the past couple of months and a large majority of both dealers' "new" stock are actually not stock at all but back orders. Most of the major manufacturers have large books of orders for the foreseeable future. One secondary effects is less choice for the consumer looking to buy now. This, combined with labor shortages (especially the 1.4% unemployment rate in Elkhart County IN 11/21), mean higher input costs for manufacturers being passed along. 

I am fairly convinced that used RV prices are influenced by the delta from real (discounted) pricing on new RVs. In this market, the discounting is practically nil on new units that now cost more. Of course, the bright side is that used prices have also risen significantly the past year. I am not in the camp that used pricing will decline anytime soon, unless or until things generally slow down on the new side. Of course, you can sell your late model Pod now for high dollar, but then you also have to buy a replacement trailer at high dollar, unless you are leaving the Pod/camper experience altogether or have a second trailer. ~PP 
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It's a political discussion whether it's directed at one or the other of the major parties, both, or for that matter anyone involved in politics. Best left for other venues.
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