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    Posted: 05 Dec 2021 at 5:49am
+1 to offgrid.  For the first 9 years of owning our 177 the only idiot light I could depend on was the FW tank level, the gray and black water indicators were funky after the first year.  However, into our 10th year of ownership I ran out of water yet the gauge showed 1/3 full.  Proceeded to open the FW tank drain to see how much water was actually in the tank - none came out - yet the gauge showed 1/3 full.  So in our cause StephenH assessment of mineral build up may have been a factor - our 177 has only ever had well water in the tank and has only been hooked up to the other water supply line once to see if it functioned properly, which it did.

So, in your case, open the FW tank drain and leave off until all water is out.  You will note a gallon or so that is still inside since the drain is not at the bottom of the tank.  By either parking on a side of a hill or jacking up the non drain side you can evacuate all the water out.  Then check to idiot light to see if it indeed reads "E", that will let you know if it is trustworthy or not.
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Just run the pump till it begins to suck air Turn it off. Then look at the fresh water tank where the hose suction line is attached. Ignore the little lights.

Is the pump suction line at the water line? If so you have identified the problem, which is that your lights don't give you a proper indication, at least not with the trailer in it's current position. The solution is to continue to ignore the lights and just eyeball the tank level in future.
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Originally posted by Shoes

Wow Jay. That changes things. I'm used to Black water being inaccurate since things cause the gauge to stick in the wrong place. But why would fresh water be wrong?
Mineral build-up? Trailer not level? On our 179, I notice it starting to pull air when it gets down to 1/3. Part of the problem is also in the electrode placement. The tank is not that deep, so the electrodes are placed relatively close together. 
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How I determined that there was 1/3 of a tank left when the pump started misbehaving is that water continued to come out of the drain for quite a while. Also the guage read1/3
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Wow Jay. That changes things. I'm used to Black water being inaccurate since things cause the guage to stick in the wrong place. But why would fresh water be wrong?
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How did you determined that you had 1/3 of a tank of fresh water in the tank (when the pump started misbehaving)?  Did you go out and visually check the tank (you can see the water level in the tank because the tank is an opaque plastic) or did you read what the gauges indicate?  If you read the fresh water level from the gauge then that is the problem.  None of the gauges are accurate, fresh water, black water, or gray water level indicators.  The drain line from the fresh water tank should be on the bottom front of the tank thus allowing 98% of the water in the tank to go to the water pump. After reviewing your stated symptoms I feel that there just wasn't water in the tank.  Don't rely on the gauges.  Hope this helps. 
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Will try this too, when I get to a good location. Thanks for the tip
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Screen was real clean. It pumped like a champ once I put more water in it...no more sucking air or ugly sounding pp. So.... when I get somewhere suitable, I'll try readjusting the intake hose. Any more info appreciated
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2021 at 11:20am
[QUOTE=Shoes]in the dewinterizing procedure the only thing i couldn't do was remove the plug with the anode in it. i have the proper tools, but it was on too tight so i will leave it for a professional to break...

Get a can of PB blaster or any other kind of penetrant, soak the exposed threads and let it sit for a day.  Shouldn't be a problem to remove the anode with your 1 1/16" socket with 6" extension on a 1/2" drive ratchet.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2021 at 11:16am
I would check the screen first, only takes a minute to unscrew and check.  Although it is possible, but not too likely, you may have the pickup hose in the FW tank that has pulled out a bit or was incorrectly installed in the first place.  A bit more involved but not impossible to pick up some slack and insert more of the hose so that it will draw all the water out of the FW tank.
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