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    Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 1:27pm
I'm confused about whether my TV is sufficient to pull my RPod. I think I saw a chart about specifications but I don't know where to find it now. We have a new (to us) 2018 RPod 179 that we intend to tow with our 2018 GMC Terrain 2.0L gas with a V-92 tow package. From what I can tell the Terrain has a max payload of 886 lb, the hitch/tongue weight of the Pod is 292 lb (does this include the 12v battery and full propane tank or do I need to add for that?) and my wife and I weigh a combined 400lb. That leaves 194 lb max cargo we can put in the Terrain when towing. Terrain is rated for 3500 lb tow capacity. We use an E-2 anti-sway WDH. Dry weight of RPod is 2909 so does that mean we can carry roughly 600 lb of cargo in the Pod including battery and propane along with what we carry in the TV to be at our max load? I know that would put us at the borderline and safety protocols dictate that we carry less than the max. I suspect that any mountainous roads would cause added burden on the transmission so we should probably not try the Rockies with this rig. I'd like to hear from Podders who pull with a Terrain or Equinox to get your experiences. A pickup may be in our future but it's not in our current budget. Sorry this is so long. But this is eating at me and I want our new camping adventures to be good ones. Thanks in advance for all replies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 1:35pm
Battery or batteries and propane unfortunately are not included. Betting no one here will think your tow vehicle is a good idea. Unfortunately!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 1:39pm
Thanks Skip.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 2:13pm
You have several max specs you have to stay within to be legal. As you say, having some headroom below the legal limitations is a good idea for safety.

You need the loaded trailer weight to be below 3500 lbs. You need the combined total rig weight as loaded to be below the max combined gross vehicle weight rating (MCGVWR) of the Terrain. That number should be on the drivers door sticker of the Terrain. You can get your max axle loads there too and check those.

You also need the actual tongue weight of the trailer to be below the max tongue weight of the Terrain. That is probably 350 lbs but you should be able to confirm it in your manual. If you haven’t already, check there to be sure that GMC allows you to use a weight distribution hitch. Some manufacturers don’t. The wdh does not allow you an increase in tongue weight btw. Also you shouldn’t have too low a tongue weight, less than around 10% has been known to result in trailer sway in rpods.

Unless you actually weigh the loaded trailer and tow vehicle you will be guessing, the empty weight of the trailer and the listed tongue weight are not reality. So, load up both the trailer and tow vehicle as you intend to use them, gear, supplies, batteries, propane, fuel, passengers, water tank, water heater, everything you plan to take with you. Go go to a public scale. Leave the wdh installed but do not tension it or it will throw off the measurements. Get your weights adding one axle at a time. Drop the trailer, leave the wdh installed and go back through and get the tow vehicle weight, again one axle at s time. Trailer weight is total rig weight minus tow vehicle weight from second weighing. Tongue weight is tow vehicle axles from first weight minus tow vehicle weight from second weighing.

Put all your specs, weights, and dimensions in this calculator and it will tell you if and where you are out of spec, and also how much to tension you should put on the wdh to get the front axle load back up to what it was without the trailer ( front axle load goes down when to put weight on the hitch).

https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php

Bottom line is you will probably never be happy with the Terrain towing a 179, even if it’s legal. To stay within specs you will be constantly trying to save all the weight you can. Even with a 5000 lb rated tow vehicle like I have I have to load carefully, especially if you plan to boon dock and have water and dual batteries on board. You will also probably never be satisfied with the performance of that 2.0 liter engine. And considering that you will be getting around 14mpg towing (everybody does) you will be stopping for gas every 120-150 miles or so, which can get frustrating and stressful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 2:32pm
+1 to OG.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:33pm
+2.

OG is right about the loads. I have not seen one RP179 that has a tongue weight below 450 lbs. When all the necessary stuff is loaded into the Rpod, and your tow vehicle is loaded up, you are going to be overweight, underpowered, and over-stressed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 7:15pm
If it is a turbo charged 2.0 I would doubt the under powered part.  Weight wise it can be done but you have to be really careful loading.  Can't carry any water in tanks.  Only a single propane tank and battery.  You have to load it properly to get 350 lb tongue weight and this weight needs to be a least 10% - 12% of your total weight.  As offgrid says you will be continually working to keep weight acceptable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 10:17am
And then all the stuff you take out of the trailer- like water, food, lawn chairs - has to go somewhere.  Eventually you will want a generator which is heavy.  One heavy thing you can get rid of is the table contraption that FR supplied.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 3:35pm
350 is not going to be easy on a 179.  Doable.  I have a 178, with single battery, single propane and a small generator on rack.  Last I measured 392 on the tongue.  If I remove genset, I'm close to 350.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 4:58pm
A 2.0 liter engine is awfully small for towing an r pod.  I towed mine a couple times with our Acadia which was a 3.6 liter and that would be the smallest GMC SUV I would ever consider towing these with.  Much happier towing it with my half ton Sierra now.  Terrains are better suited to tow something 2000 lbs GVW or lighter I would say.  I echo everyone above, probably not a good tow vehicle for an r pod.
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