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    Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 1:43pm
When considering the screw holes, bear in mind that the only part of the wall that offers screw withdrawal resistance is the thin skin of the wall interacting with the thread of the screw.  The styrofoam behind the skin doesn't do much.  Either filling the hole with epoxy or going to a slightly larger screw will do pretty much the same thing.  As for gluing the fenders on, with a very strong adhesive, it's not likely that any adhesive or adhesive tape is strong enough to resist the impact force of a failing tire.  But, peeling off the adhesive from the gelcoat may not be very good for it.  You may have some extensive fiberglass repairs that are much more complicated than simply putting in new screws, filling, or drilling.  Maybe having "break away" fenders may cause less costly repairs than pulling off a big chunk of fiberglass or gelcoat.  

+1 to load range D tires to minimize the risk of a blow out.  Heat is the enemy of tires.  A load range D tire, due to its 8 ply construction, is not only more resistant to deflection causing heat, it is also more impact resistant, thus reducing the risk of a tire bruise.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by offgrid

I don’t agree. I would attach the fenders as well as possible, using good adhesive and using fresh screw holes. Why plan on having the fenders come off and why try to reuse damaged holes? I also don’t buy the “China bomb” theory. I place the fault on FR for mounting marginally rated tires on their trailers. Get ST tires, load range d, and keep them properly inflated. If you like, buy American, of course that’s fine. I’m personally running Chinese 15 inch LRD’s with 2500 lb ratings. my $0.02.

I've considered lifting this one at some point and upgrading to 15" tires... but small steps. =)  Thanks!  The Summits I have on it now are better tires than what was still on it. 
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I don’t agree. I would attach the fenders as well as possible, using good adhesive and using fresh screw holes. Why plan on having the fenders come off and why try to reuse damaged holes? I also don’t buy the “China bomb” theory. I place the fault on FR for mounting marginally rated tires on their trailers. Get ST tires, load range d, and keep them properly inflated. If you like, buy American, of course that’s fine. I’m personally running Chinese 15 inch LRD’s with 2500 lb ratings. my $0.02.
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You might also want to step up to a load range D (LRD) tire. LRD will inflate to a higher pressure and impart a bit more harsh ride, but they will also run a lot cooler. Goodyear Endurance are a good choice (but there are others as well).
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Tomtreas, I suggest when you put the new screws in, use a bedding compound caulk in the screw holes.  It seals them and helps bond the screw to the sides of the hole a little.  On my boat I used 3M 5200, but there are plenty of similar bedding caulks on the market.

Personally, I would not use a very strong glue to fasten the fenders in addition to the screws.  If you have another tire failure, the tread is going to come off and hit the fender, probably taking it off too.  If you have a strong glue bond, your fiberglass repairs may involve much more than just filling some stripped out screw holes.  It is very hard to see internal damage to a tire, and even harder to detect defects in manufacturing.  The best thing buy tires from reputable manufactures who have good quality control.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 11:27am
Originally posted by lostagain

I agree with GlueGuy, the best option for the holes is repairing them with epoxy filler with cotton.  You can buy this sort of thing at any good marine supply, but with the small amount you need, just some regular epoxy glue and cotton dust or fiber would be fine.

Thanks for that.  The holes in question are just larger than the threads from the original screw.  There is some flaking at the outer edge where it pulled out but I'm thinking I can fill all of that in, let it set up, and then as GlueGuy said, drill some pilot holes the size of the screw shank and let the threads catch.  Should make for a good tight fit. 

in continued thinking about this I'm wondering if I were to actually use the glue to bond the fender to the camper though, if I suffered a similar "china bomb" as I am seeing this is called if it wouldn't actually result in more damage if it ripped the fender off than just sticking it up there like the factory did to hold it in place with the double stick tape?  Opinions?
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If I remember correctly from the days I defended some tire manufacturers, on a radial tire, the tread separation you see in the photo is the "normal" mode of failure.  As the tire fails, air enters the space between the tread and the plies of rubber coated fabric to which it is bonded. It is not uncommon for the tire to sustain damage unknown to the user which eventually allows air to seep into the body of the tire.  Some times, the quality of manufacturing results in incomplete bonding of the tread and with heat, it creates an increasingly big separation of the tread until failure occurs.

I agree with GlueGuy, the best option for the holes is repairing them with epoxy filler with cotton.  You can buy this sort of thing at any good marine supply, but with the small amount you need, just some regular epoxy glue and cotton dust or fiber would be fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 10:31am
Originally posted by jimandclare

I share your pain.

Heading home last summer we had a "china bomb" tire blow out and take out not only the fender but also the grab bar by the door.  Our tires had about 7000 miles on them.  Fully 80% of the of the tread peeled off of the tire.

I had some damage to the grab bar foam, but not the bar itself.  Zooming in your photo, it almost looks like the same brand of tire?  See my other post below.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 10:04am
Originally posted by mjlrpod

 
BTW any chance you can share brand that blew out. It would be good if we can keep track of brands that are known to fail. 

Ridgeway Sport ST Power Touring ST205-75R14 Load range C

I could be wrong but it is my belief that these are factory tires as the spare is also this same tire. I noticed when I removed to use the spare that the extrusion nibs were still sticking out so concluded that before this trip that the spare had never hit the ground.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 9:54am
You could also fill the existing holes with a little epoxy mixed with flocked cotton (or just little snips from some cotton fabric; the smaller the better). This will make a filling that is similar to wood, but stronger. Then drill the filled parts enough to get the new screws into the same spots.
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