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    Posted: 30 Dec 2019 at 5:45am
Thank you all for responding.  Just recently pulled the trigger on a 2017 F-150 SuperCrew 4 WD with the 3.5 Ecoboost.  Stats look pretty impressive 375 HP and 470 ft. lbs. of torque.  The only negative that I got out of this was that I had a 36 gallon tank in the '11 F-150, this one only has a 23 gallon tank.  Had to get rid of the '11 F-150 as I was having issues with oil consumption.  On our trip out west I averaged 1 quart of synthetic 5w-30 per 1000 miles.  I ended up using 6 quarts of oil.  Also was having issues with banging tappets for the first 5 minutes upon starting.  Had some engine work done already but the oil consumption problem continued.  The 5.0 Coyote had a lot of power pulling our 177, even in the mountains but with only 130 K miles on it, and with those issues I felt better upgrading.  The big plus was the dealership messed up on their posted price - I purchased it for $ 4000. less than what they planned on selling it for - apparently the person who does all the internet pics and prices entered the selling price wrong, bad for them, good for meBig smile

I won't be able to report how well this does for mileage until next spring as our 177 is on the back 20 in hibernation mode but I can report that on my last trip to Grand Rapids and back I was able to average 20.3 mpg cruising at 78 mph.  Speed limit in Michigan expressways is 75, most go 85 or faster.  At 78 I feel bad getting passed by pink and purple haired little ladies in their Cadillacs but that is the way it is.  I rather get to my destination in 1 piece and with all the numerous deer collisions I have had in the past, feel safer at this speed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

Since were talking pods, and weights under 5,000 the new Ford Ranger should be very much an active player in this conversation I would think. I am guessing it has an ecoboost engine as well.  It has a 7,000 tow cap. same as an f150 XLT i've been told. It's still pretty pricey but probably save several thousand. 
That's true. It's a 4-banger EcoBoost. As is true for all EcoBoost engines, it has lots of torque available at low RPM. If the shear size of the F-150 is an issue, the Ranger and most of its competitors (Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado, Canyon) would be roughly equivalent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 10:53am
Since were talking pods, and weights under 5,000 the new Ford Ranger should be very much an active player in this conversation I would think. I am guessing it has an ecoboost engine as well.  It has a 7,000 tow cap. same as an f150 XLT i've been told. It's still pretty pricey but probably save several thousand.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 10:02am
I have friends with both the 3.5 and 5.0. They both tow very well, both towing 5,000lb trailers.

Truthfully.. I would get the 5.0. The thing just sounds awesome. And I like V8's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 5:43am
Oh ho, guess I started something, Tongue

Re range: range on ICE's gets cut pretty much in half too when towing (mine does for sure) so that is not special with EV's. Whether its a problem or not depends on the original range and on the availability of charging stations. The longest range electric trucks are supposed to go about 400-500 miles, so that should be pretty comparable to most ICE's towing.

Don't know anything about the range of EV's in very cold climates so can't comment on that. A 4wd one should be fine in the snow, like any other 4wd with traction control. 

Re why the grid can handle a conversion to electric, it depends when you charge it. Grid loading is always lowest between late evening and early morning so there is essentially always power to spare then. Most of the time EV's are charged at home so that timing is pretty easy to accomplish. 

Norway is the poster child for EV's with far more percentage wise on the road than anywhere else. Their electricity is hydro and they have plenty of it. They don't tax EV's so that acts like an incentive because ICE vehicles are taxed like crazy as they are throughout all of Europe.  The EV's get use of special highway lanes as well. Mostly they're using them for commuting and have second ICE vehicles for longer drives. 

Adoption of E trucks will depend on price, range, and availability of charging stations. We'll see how that plays out over the next few years. In the meantime the cars are pretty much there already for lots of people, certainly they are fine for most normal daily commuting patterns. 

I plan to swap my Prius out for a Chevy Bolt but will keep my Highlander for towing and long distance driving purposes, for now. 








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 4:00am
Originally posted by GlueGuy

This makes the extreme popularity of Teslas in Scandahoovian countries all the more puzzling. We know it gets cold up there, so what are they doing differently?


Ahhh, maybe it is the government over reach and incentives to have a Tesla.  Due to efficient electric production via fjiords and rivers the price of electricity is ridiculously low.  I don't know the price of petrol over there but the last time I was in Europe on a missions mission it was $ 1.65/liter in Albania and Kosova and that was during the years of 1999 and 2000.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 7:44pm
This makes the extreme popularity of Teslas in Scandahoovian countries all the more puzzling. We know it gets cold up there, so what are they doing differently?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 6:59pm
The EV Achille's heel is sobering at best.  My son just sold his Tesla.  He lives in Grand Rapids, MI and enjoyed it during the summer months as he was able to get his 300 miles out of a charge.  Also charging stations are plentiful in Michigan, at least in the lower peninsula so travel was easy for him.  Now, the reason for selling:  winter weather cut his distance to 180 miles at best, the Tesla is terrible in snow, even with a good snow tires on it - he found himself wandering all over the road - not safe for him or his kids.  He told me if he lived in a place where there was no snow or cold weather below 40, he would have kept it, for all the cars he has had - this was his favorite, until the reality of Michigan winter slapped him in the face, and winter has only begun in this part of the world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

Electric cars work well because there is a very small load.
EVs work well because of their insane efficiency vs ICE cars. Most of the EVs I know of get > 100 MPGe, and some models of the Tesla model 3 is just edging over 140 MPGe. It's not so much that the load is small (those batteries make them HEAVY), as it is low aerodynamic drag and super-efficient motors.

Originally posted by podwerkz

Electric trucks when pulling a load (like a camper) will see published range cut in half.
It's worse than that. You should look at the Achilles Heel video linked above. It's kind of sobering regarding towing almost anything.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 2:33pm
+1, not my cup of tea either.
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