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    Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 7:56am
I installed my FastWay e2 trunnion hitch Monday.  It is the 600/6000 model, and it appears to be a bit too much hitch for my setup.  It's not going well.

My setup is a 2018 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 V6 Access Cab, upgraded with OME heavy duty springs and shocks all around.  Nothing in the truck bed. My trailer is a 2016 RP-171 with one FULL 20lb propane tank, Lippert electric tongue jack and two 235aH 6v batteries, boxes and associated wiring.  Water tank and waste tanks were empty.

I installed the hitch per the instructions.  I put the L brackets in the middle set of holes, and I used 5 washers (the manual says no fewer than 5 washers and no more than 9 washers).  Fewer washers gives less WD effect.

I put a piece of blue painter's tape on the body about an inch above the front wheel well to give a distinct measurement point to measure between there and the ground, going through the center of the wheel.

With the trailer uncoupled from the truck the distance from the ground to the tape was 38 1/4”.

Then I hooked up the trailer with the full tongue weight on the hitch but without the WD bars in place.  That measurement was 38 3/8”.  Only 1/8” higher than without the trailer weight.  That was a surprise, but I do have upgraded suspension in the truck.

With the 5 washers and the L-brackets on the middle set of holes (per the instructions) and the WD trunnion bars in place providing weight distribution (WD), the measurement at the tape was 37 3/4”, which is an indication there is too much WD happening.  The goal is to get that distance back to ½ way between the unloaded and loaded heights.  That target distance would be (38 ¼ + 38 3/8 / 2), or 38 5/16”.

Since I was already at the minimum number of washers, the next alternative is to lower the L-brackets.  I moved them down one set of holes which reduces the WD effect.  Now the measurement was 38” even... still too much WD.

Moved it to the next set of holes down (which is as low as you can go), and the measurement was 38 1/8”... still a hair too much WD.  But that was the minimum I could set it up for according to the instructions.

Strangely though, with it still having slightly too much WD, the trunnion bars have very little tension on them.  With maybe 10-20lbs of effort I can lift the bars off the L-brackets.  That can't be right.  Not enough friction there to give any sway control.

I called e2 support and told him the story with all the measurements.  He said I can actually go as low as 3 washers (it would have been nice if the manual said that instead of the minimum being 5).  So he wants me to move the L-brackets back up (he didn't know if I should go up one set of holes or two sets of holes) hoping to get the trunnion bars as parallel to the trailer frame rails as possible.  If there is too much angle between the bars and the L-brackets it reduces the contact patch and there is not enough friction for sway control.  Further he wants me to try either 4 or 3 washers instead of the current 5 washers.

I will follow his instructions, but my feeling is that this is too much hitch for this setup.  Perhaps the light duty 450/4000 version would have been better, but since I have installed it I can't return it.

Things will change a little for the better when I have stuff in the TV bed and some water in the tank though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:18am
It seems like perhaps you really don't need a whd for your setup based on your original 1/8 inch front axle lift measurement. By trying to add one and still stay within the guidelines you're winding up with no tension on the bars because you don't need to redistribute any weight in the first place. If that's the case, changing the number of washers won't change anything. 

As a cross check, have you measured your actual loaded tongue weight? If you don't want to use the bathroom scale process you can go through a public scale twice, once with the just your TV and once with the trailer attached and the WD hitch not tensioned. The difference will be your tongue weight. You can get your actual axle weights at the same time by adding one axle at a time to the scale.

Here is a calculator you can use to do a cross check with what you're getting against your trailer and TV specs.


https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:22am
Oh and water weight generally is the single largest loading variable in a TT (300 lbs in a rPod) so I would fill my tank and water heater if you plan on travelling that way before taking any measurements or making adjustments. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:41am
The trailer is winterized right now so there is no water in it, just some RV antifreeze.  I will do the measurements again with a full camping load.  However, my camping load is light.  Just me and just 1-2 day trips, so if I carry water, it would not be anywhere near a full tank since I won't be showering and the carried water would be mostly for washing dishes, flushing the toilet and hand washing.

My main reason for doing the e2 was for the safety aspects of sway control more than the WD capabilities, but I figured having a WD hitch couldn't hurt and might help some.  But I do realize that too much WD is a bad and dangerous situation.

No, I have not weighed anything and I know I should.  I will look into where I can find a public scale where I can weigh it.  

The only scales I know of right now are operated by the California Highway Patrol and I am under the impression they are for commercial trucks only.  I will stop and talk to them at the one that is nearest to me (I live in Avery California and the nearest scale I know of is in Murphys California on Highway 4, about 8 miles down the mountain from me).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:52am
Its a little puzzling that you don't seem to have more weight on the tongue, especially with dual golf cart batteries. You're right to be concerned about sway, you want your tongue weight to be at least 10-11% of total trailer weight. 

You can try your local county waste transfer station. As a taxpayer you should be able to use that if they're not busy. That's what I do here in NC.  Asking nice always helps as with anything in life. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 9:43am
The 30 gallon fresh water tank on the 171 is located just forward of the trailer axle.  The 6 gallons in the water heater are located well behind the axle, but not enough enough leverage to cancel out the 30 that are forward of the axle.  

But if I had what would be for me a typical amount in both, it would be about 10 in the tank and 6 in the water heater (plenty for a 2 day trip for me).  The 6 way back and the 10 forward would probably about cancel out as far as tongue weight goes.

Also, the water that starts out in the FW tank would get transferred to the holding tanks that are rear of the axle, so as I use water, there would be less and less tongue weight. 

I think. ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 10:44am
You have it right. If you want to determine the effect on tongue weight from moving load around, its a pretty simple calculation. Using the trailer axle as the datum, measure the distance in inches (forward or back) to each load and also to the hitch. The effect on the hitch weight from each load is lbs of load x inches to load/inches to hitch, adding for loads in front of the axle and subtracting for loads behind the axle. 

In your case the worst scenario sounds like it might be a full gray tank reducing tongue weight below 10-11% of trailer weight, resulting in risk of sway. Placing as much load as far forward as possible in the trailer will mitigate against that. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 10:52am
I just ordered one of those Sherline trailer tongue weight scales.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 11:12am
Sounds good. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 11:14am
Michael,  Our Rpod is a 180.   I also have a Tacoma access cab 4x4. No extra helpers on the rear springs, just the factory hitch and towing package.

I bought a fastway from my Rpod dealer and had them install it. It is a 450/4500 model.  The mechanic that installed it said this is the size they put on the R-pods.

I watched him do the installation. The 450/4500 comes with three hitch ball angle adjustment washers and he put all three in.  He mounted the L brackets in the center two holes.  He told me to just try it and move the L bracket up or down if I felt it was too much or too little after towing it for a while.

It towed great with no bounce or sway, but being the curious type I decided to try the other location holes for the L brackets.    Mounted in the bottom holes (L brackets highest) it took a lot of force using the cheater bar to set them on the L brackets.  In the top holes it seemed like it was fine and still towed nice...no sway or bouncing...so I left them there.

The front of the Tocama didn't move very much up with weight only or down with weight distribution engaged.
No weight height=36 in.  Weight only=36 and 3/8ths in.
Center holes with weight distribution=36 and 1/4 in.
Top holes with weight distribution= 36 and 3/16ths in.

I would suspect you will just need to do some test towing with different settings and you will be able to find a satisfactory setting for your hitch.

Have you found thes Fastway factory videos of hitch installation.
450/4500 instalation on an Rpod     www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqjjUwv-YsM

Heavier hitch     www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_kbKyXRZTM
 
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