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StephenH
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Topic: Battery Advice Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 8:36am |
The deciding factor for me in going with dual 6V batteries was that I use a CPAP machine. We also travel with our R-Pod and while we are on the road, we spend the night in truck stops, Walmarts, etc. without hookups. The last thing I want is to run out of power in the middle of the night. Since cold nights use the furnace, the added capacity of the setup I have makes sure that does not happen even if the furnace is running a lot. The lights use insignificant amounts of power since they are LED. The 12V fan and/or the vent fan use somewhat more power but the fans help move the air around which makes my wife more comfortable. The fan also helps distribute the heat from the furnace, pulling heated air from under the bed (furnace location on the 179) and moving it out into the main cabin area. We do take advantage of connections if they are available, but we do need the higher power storage of the dual 6V batteries. One of these days when the price drops sufficiently, I would like to switch to a LiFePo4 battery as it would save significant weight for the same capacity but the price is way too high to consider now.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 7:37am |
Furpod, I probably misunderstood your original post.
"Most, likely somewhere near 98% (IME) of RV owners need the 12v battery ONLY to fire the brakes in case of a breakaway. They never camp without hookups, or for longer then the standard battery will allow them to be without charging." I read that to mean that 98% never camp without hookups. If you're saying that 60% of rPod owners never camp without hookups, meaning that 40% do so at least occasionally, then that figure seems reasonable to me. I do think a poll on this topic might be interesting. How many folks use their trailers without hookups and for how long? I agree that a typical use for an rPod without hookups is a weekend or a long weekend stay. They are small trailers. For that, a single 100AH battery will usually make it through. Once you add a charging source like solar or a generator the limiting factor becomes water usage anyhow. The two of us can go about a week on our 30 gallons but most folks would probably consider the water rationing required to be a bit extreme. Its interesting that larger trailers really don't use much more dc electrical energy than smaller ones. And they carry more water. Smaller trailers are much better suited to use in undeveloped campgrounds though. To me as a near exclusive off grid user, the ideal would be a trailer the size of an rPod but with more fresh and gray water carrying capacity. I've been tempted to go with a "composting" toilet and use the additional space under the trailer to add more fresh and gray capacity. But its just much additional weight for the trailer axle and chassis. |
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jato
Senior Member Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Kewadin, MI Online Status: Offline Posts: 3227 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 8:59pm |
+1 Offgrid. We normally look for national parks or forest areas where electricity is not available. In fact when we go to Glacier or RMNP (Colorado) in September we expect 3-4 days out of each of our group size 24 deep cycle 12 volt batteries for a total of 6 - 8 days in one location. Temps when we go to Glacier (MT) or RMNP (CO) are normally 45 or lower in the evenings so the furnace runs quite a bit. Currently we are in the hibernation mode and both batteries are stored on the concrete floor in an unheated garage. In November a 2 amp trickle charge is given to both, takes 24 - 36 hours to bring each to a full charge. Nothing is done until the following April when the same protocol is followed. Been doing this for 8 years, batteries are still performing well. Important thing is to keep an eye on the electrolyte/water level in each cell, keep them topped off.
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'11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 11:35am |
Or to put it another way, thank heavens that most people don't want to go off-grid with their RV's. That leaves all the more room and peace and quiet for those of us who do.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 11:33am |
As usual, I agree with furpod ( on the first and second post). If you want a poll - start one. It is not much different that opening a new topic. |
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furpod
Moderator Group - pHp Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Central KY Online Status: Offline Posts: 6128 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 11:19am |
This is correct. It may seem skewed to you/us, but like many things, it's a matter of who we hang with and what we do. Remember R-Pods in particular, and small campers in general, are a very small market segment. And very few owners over 20 feet are taking them off grid, just a fact of logistics mostly. Even among small camper owners in general, and podders in particular, your poll will still show a very large percentage never camp off grid, in fact, almost 10 years of experience with podders all over the country tells me that about 60% won't camp without FHU's. Period. But, many people who camp off grid, don't stay out to the point (either time or weather based) that any extra measures need to be taken above what the Pod came with. We did 3 day stays, in good weather, on the stock Group 27, 5 days on a pair of them, and almost 2 weeks when we had dual T105's.. But very very few RV owners will ever do 14 days off grid. We have to remember there are over 8 MILLION RV's registered and being used.. If every single Pod ever built was used totally off grid at least once this year, it would still be less then .06% of the total trips camped.. (assuming at least 3 trips per year per registered rig.) About 20,000 pods have been built so far. Of the 8,000,000 RVs registered, if all of them where still intact and on the road, (and we know they aren't) that's only .25%, or 1 in every 400 RV's.. And R-Pods ARE the market and segment leader under 20 feet.
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 10:15am |
I live in NC and generally camp in NC, VA, and WV. Few of the places I camp have power. In the National parks and national forests it’s rare, including very popular places like Senandoah and Hatteras seashore. Even in State parks it’s probably 50/50. Such services are available in private campgrounds but I don’t camp in those, they generally tend to be both cramped and expensive. I could certainly be wrong but I think a poll would show a far higher number of users of this forum sometimes camp without power than 2%, even in the east.
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Happy Tripping
Senior Member Joined: 27 May 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 473 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 9:43am |
2% is probably pretty close out east. East of the Big Muddy (I fear don't know how to spell 'Mississippi' correctly) opportunities for hook ups are everywhere and the opportunity for utility-less camping, while still there, is much less - mostly private lands, national forests and places like some state forests or wildlife management areas. Too many trees to just plunk down anywhere in a national forest and similar undeveloped areas out here. Generally too many trees/clouds to count on solar. Except in winter, with care I can get 3-4 days even with our group 24 battery and then its time to move to another campground anyway, one with electricity.
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 8:28am |
IMO, the more public land and camp grounds are available, the more people go off-grid to camp. We are blessed in the west with huge tracts of public lands which are open to everyone and it's easy to not only camp in camp grounds, but to do "disbursed" camping in the middle of nowhere. On the other hand, there are people who use their RV's like a moving hotel where the destination is not the place you camp. In that case, RV parks are their preference.
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 09 Jan 2019 at 8:17am |
Seriously!? Only 2% ever camp off-grid? I challenge that estimate.Sounds like a poll is in order 😁...
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