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mcarter 
podders Helping podders - pHp 
Joined: 07 Apr 2016 Location: Greenbrier, TN Online Status: Offline Posts: 3419 |
 Topic: Running refrigerator on propane while drivingPosted: 01 Sep 2018 at 4:42pm |
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Good, maybe now that post has been hijacked it will be a dormant issue until the next person asks the opinion.
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Mike Carter
2015 178 " I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability." |
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lostagain
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Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 3:57pm |
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Jim, we have an excuse not to visit Dayton State Park, we live about a mile away and it's kind of like staying at home. So for us, Hope Valley is the best. Easy to get to, beautiful, and far enough away to make us feel like we've been somewhere. But, for all ya'll who live in VC, Storey County, it's a real trip down the hill, into beautiful Lyon County where there's a real destination.
 Maybe we'll see you at the VC Labor Day Parade. We'll park in Silver City just to make sure our car is safe.
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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poston
podders Helping podders - pHp
Joined: 28 Mar 2018 Location: Nevada Online Status: Offline Posts: 195 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 3:45pm |
OK, I'll put it on our list and I promise, we'll compare it fairly!  Actually, I should have said Hope Valley would be our #2 quick getaway. Our driveway probably should be #1: pinyon pines, dirt roads, wildlife, low traffic, and .... water/electric hookups for "free"!
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-- Jim Virginia City, Nevada 2016 R-pod 180 2015 Nissan Xterra Pro-4X |
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lostagain
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Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 2:06pm |
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How can you say that when you can come on down the hill and go to Dayton State Park?
 Heck, you could come on down and stay for both days of Dayton Valley Days on the 15th and 16th. I'll be there in one of the booths on the 16, but I can't tell which booth.
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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poston
podders Helping podders - pHp
Joined: 28 Mar 2018 Location: Nevada Online Status: Offline Posts: 195 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 12:53pm |
Hope you get mobile again soon! We just returned from Hope Valley for the first time Loved it. I think it will be our favorite quick getaway. |
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-- Jim Virginia City, Nevada 2016 R-pod 180 2015 Nissan Xterra Pro-4X |
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lostagain
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Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 11:51am |
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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crw8sr
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Joined: 12 Oct 2017 Location: Omaha Nebraska Online Status: Offline Posts: 328 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 11:32am |
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Battery or propane?
Refrig or cooler? Bridges and tunnels. Acceptable levels of risk. F I R E ! Road debris. Hammer! Nails! Russian Mafia!!!!!!!! I can't leave my house anymore; think I'll go back to bed. |
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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie 2018 R Pod 190 2019 Traverse In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck. |
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lostagain
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Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 8:47am |
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After I wrote post my last night, I settled into my easy chair and continued reading a book about the Russian mafia and how they have expanded to virtually every corner of the world and every level of society and government. They make the old Italian mob in the USA look like beginners.
The thought occurred to me, while reading about a car bombs, that virtually every vehicle in the road has both explosive fuel lines and hydraulic or air brake lines exposed to debris impacts under the vehicle. As I was saying in yesterday's post, it is certainly possible for debris to strike and rupture one of these tubes with either the sudden release of fuel or the loss of one's brakes. But, as far as I can tell, such ruptured fuel or brake line incidents do not present a statistically significant cause of either fires, loss of brakes, or accidents. I think I'd worry more about nefarious Vandals or Visigoths slithering under my little Dodge Dakota and severing one of the brake lines. Why, just last week, when we returned from Colombia [where my wife underwent a laparoscopic cholesystectomy at a cost of $700 for everything as opposed to $15K here and by a surgeon who trains US doctors -- yikes I'm really getting off topic] I discovered my right rear tire of my truck was flat. It had a very suspicious hole in the side wall. I don't know whether I hit something in the road or it was the work of the Russian mafia, though the hole was the size of a pocket knife blade and very straight and was big enough for a sudden loss of inflation. Now I'm grounded until next Thursday when the new tires are going to be installed and the escape to Hope Valley has to be postponed. I have to hurry because the camp ground closes for the season at the end of September.
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Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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Tars Tarkas
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Joined: 14 Jan 2013 Location: Near Nashville Online Status: Offline Posts: 1446 |
Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 7:09am |
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Lostagain: you hit the nail on the head when you said 'life is full of risks'. A fridge-related propane fire is pretty far down the list of things to worry about when you hook up a 5000 pound tow vehicle to a 3500 pound trailer and drive merrily down the road at +/- 60mph. I'm starting to think that people have an inherent fear of fire, and since it's not hard to imagine the pilot light of the fridge being the cause of a gas station conflagration resulting in massive destruction and 27 deaths, people elevate the risk in their minds. I wonder how much greater the risk is of our tow vehicles' gasoline somehow igniting and exploding is. It happens all the time on television. Seems like just as painful a way to die as a fridge fire, and at least based on what I see on television (and all other data I'm aware of) much more likely to happen. And of course if you managed to survive, the scars would be the same either way. As far as risks, what about being hit by another driver? What intelligent person would think about subjecting themselves and their loved ones to that?! I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to expand the list of other tragic things that can happen while pulling a pod, but I wonder, if you're going to get out on the road, how much does just the act of hooking up the Pod add to the number of bad things that could happen out there? TT TT
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lostagain
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Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 31 Aug 2018 at 9:09pm |
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I went and looked at the gas line on our Pod and it's not very vulnerable to road debris hitting it. The first 3 feet or so from where the pipe goes through the frame is the most exposed area. The copper pipe is covered by split wire loom for the entire length and is attached to the side of the frame rail just fore of the black water tank above the bottom of the rail. I suppose a piece of metal could hit the pipe from the point at which the pipe passes through the front member of the trailer frame to where it attaches to the left length rail, but getting enough velocity on an object to break through the copper is not very likely, though certainly possible. A fire could result, but I suspect that if this happened at a statistically significant frequency, the NTSB would prohibit locating the gas line in that position.
As for fire danger when running the fridge on 12v from the tow vehicle, it requires quite a bit of amperage to run on battery power, and with DC that means you need pretty stout wire from the alternator of the TV to the fridge. Inadequate wire can lead to overheating and can result in a fire. Since the TV necessarily must carry combustable fuel, once a fire starts in the TV, things can get pretty exciting pretty quickly. According to furpod the number one cause of fires in RV's is the 12v system, that may be a more risky practice than running the fridge on gas. I did a less than cursory google search and it seems that the major cause of fires while moving relate to the axle and brakes. Refrigerator fires are another big cause, but most of the articles suggested electrical sources, not the gas as the culprit for ignition of the fire. Gasoline vapor needs a concentration of 1.2% to 7.6% in ambient air to ignite, according to one chart I found in google. That's pretty smelly and you'd be inclined to stay away from it if you pulled into a gas station. Unless you are refueling in a confined space, it's pretty improbable that you'd reach that level of fuel vapor concentration in the air 10' away from the the source of the liquid gasoline that could vaporize. Thus, the chances of having a concentration of gasoline vapor near the refrigerator flame while refueling is not very likely, though, as with all things in nature anything is possible. It's just a matter of a low enough probability that a fire is not very likely. And, the possibilities of an electric spark, from static electricity, a cell phone, the car's electric system are constant threats if the gasoline vapor is at a flammable level. In the last analysis, life is full of risks and you simply have to chose what you feel is most comfortable for you. For myself, if I had doubts about the concentration of gasoline vapor at a gas station due to ambient circumstances, such as a confined space or spilled gasoline, I'd probably temporarily turn off the propane before getting close to the source of the gas vapor, but I'd also not be inclined to drive into such a space since the alternator and other electrical stuff in my vehicle poses the same threat of fire. I suppose one can follow the practice that if it really stinks of gasoline, don't bring your TV or trailer into that area.
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