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    Posted: 03 May 2018 at 3:54pm
LEO,

You are spot on, your truck has a light circuit that assists with light issues. Has nothing to do with your TBC and your brake problem, two different issues. The TBC operates independently from lights, has to. Each TBC is set up by vehicle, same with aftermarket TBCs not embedded like yours. The OP of this message has a TBC issue and the most likely culprit is wiring in or around one or both TT hubs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 3:47pm
That's good my friend but has nothing to do with the TBC. The TBC has one wire control. My Chevy will not tell me when a 4 pole trailer is connected but will show in the turn signals if a trailer tail light is not functioning. Sure new trucks have better light technology, granted. The TBC looks for a load on the one wire associated with brakes and uses that load sense to determine a trailer connection - ONLY FOR THE TBC. It is designed to NOT be associated with lights and is a safety factor. I can send you pics of how your Pod is wired and connected or you can do it yourself, just find a 7 pin flat standard RV connection diagram, you will see one wire is used from the TBC to the wheel backing plate. It doesn't matter about light technology the vehicle system has to work with the existing RV technology, end of the day the RV brakes have nothing to do with lights and the RV lights have nothing to do with brakes. I can have a disconnected TT plug and energize the brakes with a jumper and not have a single lit light.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 3:39pm
Then it automatically applies the setting for that particular trailer.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 3:38pm
My F-150 is like that, I also have a utility trailer that has no brakes and a 4 pin plug. Last time I plugged it in to use it, it told me I had a tail light out, checked and it was right. Changed the bulb and all was set. The Ford mechanic was talking about the wire being broke and the truck realizing when I applied the breaks that it was saying it was disconnected because of the break in the pods break wire breaking some circuit. But when he fixed the wire it worked perfect.
When we got the truck, we did have to go through a couple of thing where we programed in and named each trailer. When we plug in the trailer the truck know which one it is. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 3:31pm
The newer F-150s may have another wrinkle. Was just talking to someone with another fairly new F-150. He has a utility trailer without brakes. It not only could tell a trailer was connected, but it also knew it had a bad tail light AND which one. So even though a light was burned out, AND there was not trailer brakes, it still knew there was a trailer there.

Maybe the Ram is just simpler?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 2:35pm
Quote from OP: As I reentered the Interstate, I noticed a message on the dash display stating the trailer was disconnected. I stopped at the next safe place and found all physical connections were good, trailer lights worked properly, but the trailer brake controller would not sense the presence of the trailer.

So bottom line is he has no light problem, he has a TBC issue. And the TBC uses the blue Brake Control signal right to the trailer magnetic brakes to see if there is a power draw, which indicates the brakes are at least receiving a control signal. The blue wire into the brake backing plates. Some trucks know when the lights are connected but they also know when the electronic brake is too, they have too when a braked trailer is being pulled. Two different circuits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 11:02am
Originally posted by Keith-N-Dar

Why would a four pin connector need to interact with the TV.  I have never noticed my F150 indicate anything when I pull my boat.  When I have the Pod behind if not connected it tells me if I manually try to apply the trailer brakes.  unless I initiate an action there is no response from the truck.
Ours is a 2015. It just seems to know when a trailer is connected regardless of the trailer brake controller. It did it before we even had a TBC. That's why I believe the TBC and trailer sensing are two different things. I am, of course, assuming that the system on a 2017 Ram would be similar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 10:37am
Why would a four pin connector need to interact with the TV.  I have never noticed my F150 indicate anything when I pull my boat.  When I have the Pod behind if not connected it tells me if I manually try to apply the trailer brakes.  unless I initiate an action there is no response from the truck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 9:24am
Originally posted by mcarter

We'll see when he finishes with trailer check. I can't imagine what a brake controller circuit would use if it didn't monitor brakes.
We bought our truck without a TBC. When we pulled a trailer using the 4-pin connector, the truck would sense whether a trailer was connected (or not). It didn't have a TBC at all, so I believe that the TBC is not (necessarily) part of the equation.

When we added the TBC, in addition to sensing the existence of a trailer, it also knew there was a brake circuit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2018 at 9:21am
Thanks for all the helpful information.  I needed some ideas to point me in the right direction.  We are working on this and will have the trailer checked out at the dealer's service center next week.  I have heard of others with similar problems, and there does not seem to be a common cause.  I'm betting that this has something to do with the backing plates that were replaced earlier.  I will keep you all informed of what we find.
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