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    Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 8:15pm

Swedish but I get the polnt, and for the record I always travel with mine on propane.

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 Group is a Swedish manufacturer whose core business is climate, hygiene, sanitation, food and beverage applications within the RV, marine, and automotive industry. Dometic Group evolved from Electrolux  ...
Headquarters‎: ‎Stockholm‎, Sweden
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 6:56pm
Originally posted by jato

+2  I have spent a fair amount of time in an attempt to get to the bottom of this controversy and have not found any evidence or legal documentation to support the "illegal or prohibited propane flame" theory.  Still looking, but with the lack of any supporting documentation I will continue to use propane where ever I travel UNLESS I see a sign stating otherwise, which I have never seen . . . . . yet . . .  .as I travel this great country.


Jato your post is a big +3! I aAbsolutely agree! If I have to turn my frig off propane to go through a tunnel or travel on a bridge I will other wise gas stations and such forget about it. If the refrigerator police want to pull me over let them come and get me! If you want to run your refrigerator on your vehicle 12vdc system more power to you. Though if you do please don't cry about it when turn off your vehicle and go away from it for awhile and come back to hear your ignition just go "click" an nothing else when you turn your switch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 5:18pm
Dometic is made in Germany, thus the rules may be more restrictive.  But, there is certainly an open flame when the refer is running.  Flammable vapor from the gasoline pumps may waft into the lower vent for the fridge in sufficient concentrations to ignite.  This could lead to some rather unpleasant consequences.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 5:17pm
Let's keep in mind that gasoline, kerosene, diesel and the like are heavier than air so they spread out along the ground like water seeking the lowest point.  As long as the vapors are uninhibited they spread laterally.  Since the flame of the refrigerator is higher I think there is little chance of ignition.  Can it happen, maybe.  There is a range of ignition, too little vapors (too lean) no ignition, too much vapor (too rich) and there is no ignition.  In 33 years of investigating fires for their origin and cause I have never run across or heard from another investigator of an RV refrigerator igniting a fire while the RV or its tow vehicle being refueled.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 3:47pm

This is from the Dometic manual while not regulatory it could imply liability I suppose. 

  

2.6 Operating the refrigerator

with gas

WARNING!

Operating the appliance with gas is

not permitted

at petrol stations

on ferry boats

while transporting the caravan/motorhome

by a transporter or breakdown

vehicle.

There is the danger of fire!

Leave the equipment switched off.

If you

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 3:43pm
+2  I have spent a fair amount of time in an attempt to get to the bottom of this controversy and have not found any evidence or legal documentation to support the "illegal or prohibited propane flame" theory.  Still looking, but with the lack of any supporting documentation I will continue to use propane where ever I travel UNLESS I see a sign stating otherwise, which I have never seen . . . . . yet . . .  .as I travel this great country.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 2:59pm
+1 It would be good to get a definitive answer to this question.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 2:49pm
Can anyone point to a state or federal regulation that says it is illegal to run an fridge on LP at a gas station?  I've come fairly close; one site (and I don't recall if it was "official") said IF there is a sign posted at the pump saying it is prohibited, then it's a misdemeanor to have an open flame within 20 feet of the pump.  This brings up what I think is a valid question: what is an open flame?  Or more specifically, is the flame enclosed in a refrigerator an "open flame"?  My attempts to answer that so far seem to indicate that it is not.

I'd really like a genuine answer as to whether it is illegal to run a fridge on propane at a gas station.  A million people saying it is, maybe because 999,999 other people say it, doesn't make it so.  And legal or not, there is still the fear a lot of people have about this.  I have no doubt that is a real fear -- although I've yet to find any evidence that the fear is justified.  Actually, the evidence seems to lean the other way.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

Stephen. My frontier runs the fridge, and the battery is fully charged at my arrival. Have you checked the voltage supplied at the 7 pin connector? The pin at " 1 o'clock" and  "7 o'clock" are the battery and ground pins. I tow with a/c on all the time. I have never towed more than 3-4 hours at one time, so maybe if i went longer it would run down. I also never shut off the T.V.  for more than 10 minutes while towing. I also cool the fridge all day before hooking up. 

I will check the voltage when I get a chance. It is the amperage being delivered that I would be more concerned with, but I don't have a meter for that.

One other reason I leave it on propane unless I have AC available is that I want to make sure my batteries have sufficient power to run my CPAP machine plus the furnace plus the incidental use of the refrigerator, AC, lights, and other parasitic power draws. One of these days, I will check out the wire gauge and how it is connected. It may be that Nissan used too small a wire. Is your frontier's connector stock wiring or did you change the charging wire out for one of a larger size?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 12:50pm
According to the wiring diagrams for our NorCold, to run the fridge on battery power, one is supposed to hook up a separate heavy wire from the TV battery (seem to me it was 8 or 10 awg, but I can't remember) and have it on a separate circuit.  It was just too much bother when I replaced the fridge, so we run on either AC or gas.  

 I spoke to a refrigerator repair specialist in the Reno area asked him about wether it was worth it to hook up the battery in our Pod.  I can't repeat his response verbatim because of the specific words used (David will get after me for using vulgarity on the forum 👺] but the gist of what he said was it was better not to hook it up.  

I guess that where having a propane fridge running when you gas up is illegal, the solution is to the gas off while fueling, then back on when you pull away from the gas pumps.  
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