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ronahue
Senior Member Joined: 02 Jun 2015 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 316 |
Topic: Traveling with a refrigerator Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 8:15pm |
Swedish but I get the polnt, and for the record I always travel with mine on propane. Headquarters: Stockholm, Sweden Revenue: SEK 12.39 billion (2016) Number of employees: 6,500 (2016) Net income: SEK 1.36 billion (2016) Missing:
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Ron & Sharon
2015 R-Pod 179 2022 Nissan Frontier No trees were harmed in the sending of this message but a billion electrons were really agitated |
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DavMar
Senior Member Joined: 04 Aug 2017 Location: Lexington, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 592 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 6:56pm |
Jato your post is a big +3! I aAbsolutely agree! If I have to turn my frig off propane to go through a tunnel or travel on a bridge I will other wise gas stations and such forget about it. If the refrigerator police want to pull me over let them come and get me! If you want to run your refrigerator on your vehicle 12vdc system more power to you. Though if you do please don't cry about it when turn off your vehicle and go away from it for awhile and come back to hear your ignition just go "click" an nothing else when you turn your switch. |
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 5:18pm |
Dometic is made in Germany, thus the rules may be more restrictive. But, there is certainly an open flame when the refer is running. Flammable vapor from the gasoline pumps may waft into the lower vent for the fridge in sufficient concentrations to ignite. This could lead to some rather unpleasant consequences.
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Larry-D
Senior Member Joined: 12 Oct 2017 Location: Middle TN Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 5:17pm |
Let's keep in mind that gasoline, kerosene, diesel and the like are heavier than air so they spread out along the ground like water seeking the lowest point. As long as the vapors are uninhibited they spread laterally. Since the flame of the refrigerator is higher I think there is little chance of ignition. Can it happen, maybe. There is a range of ignition, too little vapors (too lean) no ignition, too much vapor (too rich) and there is no ignition. In 33 years of investigating fires for their origin and cause I have never run across or heard from another investigator of an RV refrigerator igniting a fire while the RV or its tow vehicle being refueled.
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ronahue
Senior Member Joined: 02 Jun 2015 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 316 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 3:47pm |
This is from the Dometic manual while not regulatory it could imply liability I suppose.
2.6 Operating the refrigerator with gas WARNING! Operating the appliance with gas is not permitted at petrol stations on ferry boats while transporting the caravan/motorhome by a transporter or breakdown vehicle. There is the danger of fire! Leave the equipment switched off. If you |
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Ron & Sharon
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jato
Senior Member Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Kewadin, MI Online Status: Offline Posts: 3220 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 3:43pm |
+2 I have spent a fair amount of time in an attempt to get to the bottom of this controversy and have not found any evidence or legal documentation to support the "illegal or prohibited propane flame" theory. Still looking, but with the lack of any supporting documentation I will continue to use propane where ever I travel UNLESS I see a sign stating otherwise, which I have never seen . . . . . yet . . . .as I travel this great country.
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6288 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 2:59pm |
+1 It would be good to get a definitive answer to this question.
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StephenH
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Tars Tarkas
Senior Member Joined: 14 Jan 2013 Location: Near Nashville Online Status: Offline Posts: 1446 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 2:49pm |
Can anyone point to a state or federal regulation that says it is illegal to run an fridge on LP at a gas station? I've come fairly close; one site (and I don't recall if it was "official") said IF there is a sign posted at the pump saying it is prohibited, then it's a misdemeanor to have an open flame within 20 feet of the pump. This brings up what I think is a valid question: what is an open flame? Or more specifically, is the flame enclosed in a refrigerator an "open flame"? My attempts to answer that so far seem to indicate that it is not.
I'd really like a genuine answer as to whether it is illegal to run a fridge on propane at a gas station. A million people saying it is, maybe because 999,999 other people say it, doesn't make it so. And legal or not, there is still the fear a lot of people have about this. I have no doubt that is a real fear -- although I've yet to find any evidence that the fear is justified. Actually, the evidence seems to lean the other way. TT |
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6288 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 2:42pm |
I will check the voltage when I get a chance. It is the amperage being delivered that I would be more concerned with, but I don't have a meter for that. One other reason I leave it on propane unless I have AC available is that I want to make sure my batteries have sufficient power to run my CPAP machine plus the furnace plus the incidental use of the refrigerator, AC, lights, and other parasitic power draws. One of these days, I will check out the wire gauge and how it is connected. It may be that Nissan used too small a wire. Is your frontier's connector stock wiring or did you change the charging wire out for one of a larger size? |
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StephenH
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 12:50pm |
According to the wiring diagrams for our NorCold, to run the fridge on battery power, one is supposed to hook up a separate heavy wire from the TV battery (seem to me it was 8 or 10 awg, but I can't remember) and have it on a separate circuit. It was just too much bother when I replaced the fridge, so we run on either AC or gas.
I spoke to a refrigerator repair specialist in the Reno area asked him about wether it was worth it to hook up the battery in our Pod. I can't repeat his response verbatim because of the specific words used (David will get after me for using vulgarity on the forum 👺] but the gist of what he said was it was better not to hook it up. I guess that where having a propane fridge running when you gas up is illegal, the solution is to the gas off while fueling, then back on when you pull away from the gas pumps.
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