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    Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 7:40am
Lamp hello, I am bob and wife is sherri.  we are looking for an R-Pod 180 and have purchased the towing equipment (tow bar, sway bar, brake package, and tranny cooler), for our 2011 3.5L ford edge.  it seems that we are on the edge of gvwt limits and we were wondering if the hook up stuff I have will keep us safe?  should we move to perhaps a R-pod 171?  What say ya'll?
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Welcome to the Group!! We have a 179 that we used to tow with our Dodge Grand Caravan with the 6 cyl penstar engine 283 horse power. We towed up and down the east coast, always felt safe but were always on the edge of the limits. We also previously had a 171 and loved it, but like the extra room/slide out of the large pods. That towed a bit easier.
We then upgraded our tow vehicle to a F-150 with the 5.0 v-8 and really love it. The mpg is  1-2 mpg lower but the power and ease of towing  makes it well worth while. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 8:36am
Welcome to the group.  Hope you enjoy your new Pod.  

As for tow vehicles, towing on the edge of the capacity of your Edge will work for a bit, but eventually you will be frustrated, and the wear and tear on your car will become more and more noticeable.  If you are going to use your Pod a lot and travel in any areas with steep climbs and descents, you would probably be much more satisfied with a tow vehicle that has a capacity greater than the loaded weight of your Pod and all the stuff  you will be carrying in your car.  

The gas mileage savings will be cost effective only if you drive  your tow vehicle with the trailer attached a lot more than you use it just as regular transportation.  But, that being said, when you are on a long upgrade and the tractor trailer are passing you and your engine heat is rising, you may wish for a little more towing capacity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 4:18pm
Have to agree with lostagain.  It is no fun being on the precipice of towing capacity and also the fact that the Edge has a relatively short wheel base.  As Fred noted above, mountainous and/or steep climbs and descents will take its toll on you as well as your Edge.  We have towed our 177 (empty weight 2450 lbs.) with two different Explorers and have had relatively good experiences with both.

IF you only plan on traveling where it is relatively flat or close to home down yonder in Georgia, you should be ok.
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Hello and welcome! If you decide to get the 'Pod, I hope you have many fine adventures and make many great memories doing so.

Now, I am going to take a contrary position. We towed about 10,000 miles with your 2016 Ford Escape SE which also had a 3500 lb tow rating. Due to an accident, we had to change and now tow with a 2010 Nissan Frontier LE Crew Cab. My observations may help.

1st. A longer tow vehicle does not necessarily guarantee a better towing experience. The distance between the center of the rear axle and the hitch ball affect the towing experience more than vehicle length alone.  With the Escape, the distance was about 3-1/2 feet. With the Frontier, it is more like 5-1/2 feet. That extra 2 feet means the R-Pod can exert more force on the tow vehicle. We certainly notice it more with the Frontier than we did with the Escape when a tractor-trailer passes, even though the Frontier has a 6100 lb tow rating.

2nd, what counts more is whether your Edge is FWD or AWD/4WD. If it is FWD, then you will absolutely need a well-adjusted Weight Distribution Hitch with sway control provided by the hitch (Equal-i-zer, Fastway E2, or Andersen No-Sway or equivalent). or a separate sway bar. The issue is the traction you need. Without a WDH, too much weight will be taken off the front end which affects both your traction and steering. Even with AWD/4WD, steering would be affected, even if the rear wheels are providing traction. The Edge would require a WDH in any case. Check Ford's Towing Guide for the Edge for just what is needed. A longer, heavier vehicle with a higher tow rating is desirable, but if it is not a current option, you could use your Edge. The lightest R-Pod that will meet your needs would be a better choice than the heavier ones that are close to the capacity of your Edge.

Last is engine size. My Frontier has a 4L naturally aspirated engine. I believe the 3.5L in your Edge is also naturally aspirated (not turbocharged, or Ecoboost as Ford calls it). That means for every 1000 feet you increase in elevation, you should expect to lose 4% in power. As long as you stay at lower elevations, you will be okay. Don't count on a trip to the Rockies with it. The Appalachians will be more than enough of a challenge to that engine. Mountains are a challenge for the Frontier as well. Turbocharged engines do much better as they don't lose power at higher elevations. They do require premium fuel though.

Bottom line is that while you may be able to use the Edge, you would want to change out for a vehicle with a higher tow rating when you are able.
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jato and Stephen H,  Thanks for your input, we see the logic in having an HP edge to make your travels safer, which is the prime directive in hauling a camper.  we are pod-less now and have been enamored with them.  however, I've been seeing the reports as to the inflation of prices on behalf of profit seekers and retailers.  that brings some other camper models into consideration.  We are seriously working toward your suggestions.  A Ford 150 pu may be in our future.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 2018 at 8:07am
Torque matters even more than horsepower when towing. You can have a lot of horsepower, but unless you can get that power to the wheels (torque) and get that torque to the ground (traction), you won't have much success in towing. Think a sports car (lots of horsepower but not as much torque) vs. a tractor (lots of torque but not much horsepower).  2011 Edge 3.5L had 285 hp at 6500 rpm and 253 lb-ft at 4,000 rpm when it was new. At 6+ years old, performance may not be as good due to wear. The 2L Ecoboost engine in the Escape had 240 hp at 5500 rpm and 270 lb-ft at 3000 rpm. A Ford F-150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost engine develops 375 hp and 470 lb-ft torque and the Raptor High Output 3.5L engine develops 450 hp and 510 lb-ft torque. The higher torque number with more than adequate horsepower means a better towing experience.

As for purchasing an R-Pod, not all dealers try to jack up the prices. Are you considering new or used?
Check RV Trader to see what kind of deal you can find.
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And keep in mind that with torque, it increases up to a point with increased engine rpm, but then starts a rapid decline despite the fact that the engine is going faster and faster.  Once you hit your maximum torque, there is little point in trying to go faster or make the engine turn faster because you'll only lose relative motive force.  When you hit your maximum torque, stick with that speed if you can.  If you can't sustain your speed, it's time to downshift.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 2018 at 11:02am
Originally posted by lostagain

And keep in mind that with torque, it increases up to a point with increased engine rpm, but then starts a rapid decline despite the fact that the engine is going faster and faster.  Once you hit your maximum torque, there is little point in trying to go faster or make the engine turn faster because you'll only lose relative motive force.  When you hit your maximum torque, stick with that speed if you can.  If you can't sustain your speed, it's time to downshift.
Generally true, but there are exceptions to the rule. The "peaking" of the torque curve is a classic characteristic of a normally aspirated (NA) engines. Boosted engines behave quite differently.

The graph below shows the torque curves for 4 engines, a 6.2L V8, a 5.0L V8, and an early version of the 3.5L EcoBoost, and the 3.7L (NA) V6. On the face of it, you might think that the 6.2L V8 is the stronger engine with 438 ft-lbs, but that torque happens at ~~ 4800 RPM.

By contrast, the 3.5L EcoBoost "only" produces 420 ft-lbs of torque, but that torque happens at ~~ 2400 RPM, and it stays there all the way up to ~~ 4500 RPM. This is what is called a "flat torque curve", and it is a feature of many/most diesel engines. It is very desirable for vehicles that have to tow.

For example, if the speed you're going requires the engine to run at 2000 RPM, the 6.2L V8 is producing a little under 300 ft-lbs, the 5.0L V8 is producing slightly over 200 ft-lbs, but the 3.5L is already producing just a shade over 400 ft-lbs. If you were cruising along and came upon a big uphill grade, which engine would be able to maintain 2000 RPM?

We've been driving our EcoBoost F-150 now for almost 3 years, and it is really a stump puller. That flat torque curve is amazing when it's at work.



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