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    Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 6:49pm
Wasn’t real happy with ole phil’s Prediction of 6 more weeks of winter. Our camping season is short enoughThumbs Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 6:48pm
Had a truly great time in Punxsutawney and Gobblers Knob! Highly recommend everyone try it once.
I have thought we had some cold weather in Vermont, but wow! They have some serious cold weather and wind chill !!!
Got some nice winter pictures from both the US and Canadian sides of Niagara Falls!!

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Yes, I know what gelcoat is.  I did a lot of fiberglass work on various boats I owned and found the most difficult thing to do was to get the pigments properly balanced to get a good gelcoat match to the existing color.  In my experience acetone left a dull finish on the gelcoat and it took some work with polish it back to it's normal sheen.  The same was true with lacquer thinner though much less of a problem than acetone.  In addition, any petroleum based highly volatile solvents leave a residue that you have to get off or it shows later.  

It's not good for you to breathe the vapors of any petroleum based solvents or resins.  We tragically discovered that with high incidents of brain cancer among those who worked in industries where fiberglass resins were in common use.  It's why OSHA has had organic respirator requirements for those who work around those chemicals.  Alcohol, though toxic, is not quite as dangerous.  If you're working in an area where the vapor can accumulate, an organic respirator is a must even with alcohol.

Denatured alcohol really works well removing sticker glue.  I know.  I've done it.  It leaves no residue and, as I said before, is water soluble so clean up is relatively easy.  Though alcohol has its risks, in comparing the Safety Data Sheets of alcohol and lacquer thinner, I'd rather take my chances with alcohol in a very well ventilated or outdoor area any day over lacquer thinner.  And no solvents should ever be used in a confined, inadequately ventilated space or you're gambling with disaster.

You can go buy expensive exotic chemicals and have to deal with the complications of using one solvent to clean another off and breathe all that stuff if you like, but for my buck, denatured alcohol works really well and is safer to use.  In fact, it works very nicely to clean the dirt off of old caulk and sealants, which I also did yesterday while basking in the warm Nevada sun.  

So today our Pod gets a bath, and a full treatment with Meguiar's.  Since it has no more stickers (or sticker glue residue), it should be like a beautiful puffy white cloud rolling down the desert highways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by lostagain

Stephen, I first used Goo-Gone and it left a horrible mess and didn't get the glue off.  Lacquer thinner damages the gelcoat though not as badly as acetone.  The alcohol, once you get the stickers off with a window razor, dissolves the glue and leaves no residue.  The remainder of the glue that the paper towel doesn't pick up can be brushed off with a fresh towel with alcohol on it.  Also, the alcohol is a little safer as it is water soluble and isn't as easier on the lungs when you are exposed to the vapor, even outside.  And, it leaves no trace once evaporated, unlike lacquer thinner that leaves a slight residue, again the same as acetone.

Gel-coat is not a lacquer. It is a two-part coating that uses a catalyst to cure like an epoxy. Once it cures, it is very tough. I'm not suggesting pouring lacquer thinner on and letting it sit there. However, wiping with a rag soaked in lacquer thinner will not damage the gel coat as it does fully evaporate. When I worked at Uniflite (no longer in existence) years ago, we used lacquer thinner to clean the gel coat, both inside and outside the yachts we built. It removed things like excess contact cement and other things that soap and water would not touch.

That being said, I mis-wrote (mis-remembered is more like it). I meant to recommend low VOC mineral spirits like Jasco Slow To Dissove Odorless Mineral Spirits. I used this on my R-Pod when I redid the spoiler and installed (and then removed) the vent cover to remove excess lap sealant. It worked well and did not affect the gel-coat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 8:15pm
mcarter, WD -40 also leaves an oil residue that you have to wash of with pretty strong detergent.  Though it's relatively volatile it still leaves a greasy film behind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 8:13pm
Stephen, I first used Goo-Gone and it left a horrible mess and didn't get the glue off.  Lacquer thinner damages the gelcoat though not as badly as acetone.  The alcohol, once you get the stickers off with a window razor, dissolves the glue and leaves no residue.  The remainder of the glue that the paper towel doesn't pick up can be brushed off with a fresh towel with alcohol on it.  Also, the alcohol is a little safer as it is water soluble and isn't as easier on the lungs when you are exposed to the vapor, even outside.  And, it leaves no trace once evaporated, unlike lacquer thinner that leaves a slight residue, again the same as acetone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 4:42pm
WD-40 works well too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by lostagain

Ufff, I was sweating like crazy while I was out cleaning the remnants of the r-Pod loopy sticker glue from our Pod, dressed in a T=shirt.  I should have put on some shorts and sandals, but I was afraid of getting sunburned. The good thing is the sun heats up the sticker glue so it's easier to get it off with denatured alcohol.  The bad thing is the heat evaporates the alcohol too fast.  Next is a real good wash and wax job.  

I'm even thinking of un-winterizing soon.  But in theory, we still have another month os sub freezing temp's at night.  ... in theory...  

Probably should have tried Goo Gone instead of denatured alcohol. Either that or lacquer thinner. Neither will hurt the gel-coat finish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 3:42pm
We're up here in NY freezing our butts off. I'm hoping for good weather when we go pick up our 189 in March from Couch's RV. That will be our first adventure with the Rpod. Can't wait.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 2:57pm
Ufff, I was sweating like crazy while I was out cleaning the remnants of the r-Pod loopy sticker glue from our Pod, dressed in a T=shirt.  I should have put on some shorts and sandals, but I was afraid of getting sunburned. The good thing is the sun heats up the sticker glue so it's easier to get it off with denatured alcohol.  The bad thing is the heat evaporates the alcohol too fast.  Next is a real good wash and wax job.  

I'm even thinking of un-winterizing soon.  But in theory, we still have another month os sub freezing temp's at night.  ... in theory...  
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