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    Posted: 14 Aug 2017 at 6:36pm
Yep, another non 178 owner, BTW I don't think the Free Surface effect is pertinent, that is what it called which answers TARS post. Which was my intent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2017 at 5:45pm
I am similar to StephenH in that we almost always have a full tank with us unless we are going for a short weekend trip, then I only put 10 gallons in, plenty for a Friday to Sunday getaway.  In our 6 years plus of hauling our 177 over 25,000 miles we have never experienced any problems due to the Free Surface Effect, probably due to the fact, as StephenH correctly states, that the tanks on the pod are low in relation to the axle and their short/squat height.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2017 at 4:54pm
Stephen,

I don't have an issue with the Free Surface effect either, that's because I have a 178, and don't travel with a full water tank. I keep minimal water in it for emergency potty stops.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2017 at 9:08am
The difference is ships roll and tanker trucks have a much higher CoG since the liquid is higher above the axles and there  is much more of it. In those, sloshing of liquid in the tanks is definitely a problem. The low, flat tanks in the R-Pod do not present the same problems as the large, round tanks in a tanker truck or the huge tanks on a ship.

I have towed our RP-179 now for several long trips which probably total between 15,000 and 20,000 miles since we bought it. I have almost always had water in the tanks, starting with a full fresh water tank and then as it has been used, varying proportions in fresh, gray, and black water tanks. I have not had any problem that could be attributed to "Free Surface Effect." Even our accident last December had nothing to do with liquid in tanks (no fresh water, minimal content in black and even less in gray water tank as we were traveling dry due to sub-freezing temperatures) and everything to do with ice and wind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 2017 at 8:57am
The "Free Surface Effect". That is why tanks on ships and tanker trucks have baffles in the tanks. Simply says tanks should be full or empty to prevent effect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

There's a name for that slosh effect, I don't remember what it is, but I think the general opinion is it isn't something to worry about in a pod.  First of all, if the tank is half full, half the water is already on one side of the trailer so if all of the water ended up on the same side all at once, which is practically impossible, it would be 60 pounds.  If the tank was 2/3 full 10 gallons would already be on one side so again, in a only theoretical situation, there's only 10 gallons on the other side of the tank and it won't all fit on the other other side.

Then there's the fact that the tanks are almost at axle level.  If you had all this water slamming aroung on top of the pod, it would probably matter.  Not so much at axle level.

No proof here, but move 200 pounds up and inside the pod the the form of a person riding in the back.  I don't think you'd particularly notice if he was bouncing back and forth from one side of the pod to the other.  You might notice but I doubt you'd be worried about him causing a wreck.

If you're going to flip your trailer, I can see how this might be a tiny contributing factor, but I'd say you were most likely going to flip anyway.  That weight so low might even add to your stability.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 6:16pm
There's a name for that slosh effect, I don't remember what it is, but I think the general opinion is it isn't something to worry about in a pod.  First of all, if the tank is half full, half the water is already on one side of the trailer so if all of the water ended up on the same side all at once, which is practically impossible, it would be 60 pounds.  If the tank was 2/3 full 10 gallons would already be on one side so again, in a only theoretical situation, there's only 10 gallons on the other side of the tank and it won't all fit on the other other side.

Then there's the fact that the tanks are almost at axle level.  If you had all this water slamming aroung on top of the pod, it would probably matter.  Not so much at axle level.

No proof here, but move 200 pounds up and inside the pod the the form of a person riding in the back.  I don't think you'd particularly notice if he was bouncing back and forth from one side of the pod to the other.  You might notice but I doubt you'd be worried about him causing a wreck.

If you're going to flip your trailer, I can see how this might be a tiny contributing factor, but I'd say you were most likely going to flip anyway.  That weight so low might even add to your stability.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 3:35pm
I would tow either with full or empty fresh water tanks, and not partially full. I saw Sean Michael of Long Long Honeymoon on YouTube talk about the force of the weight of water can have on sway when the tank is partially full. 8+lbs per gallon moving side to side in the tank only happens when there is room in the tank to move. Take 10 gallons fresh in a 30 gallon tank and you are moving 80+lbs side to side sloshing in the tank. 20 gallons is > 160lbs sloshing. Eliminate the room for the water to move by going out full or empty is my counsel. Add the effect on some models where the tank is behind the axle and no thanks on towing partially full.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by spydie

I noticed some tail-wag on my new 2018 R-pod 176 on the way back to NM from AR with the water tank about 2/3 full.  When I got home I saw why... the darned fresh water tank is way at the rear of the Pod behind the grey water tank, which is right behind the axel.  I had a sway bar on the 2017 RAM 1500 and kept tightening it up all the way home.  It had to be real tight before the sway stopped.  No WD needed on most full size trucks, though.  Sits level without one.


I am surprised you had sway with a full sized PU for a TV.  I think my 177 is plumbed like your pod and I nearly always have water in the tank.  If we are traveling with the pod and will be in truckstops or parking lots I want to be able to use the bathroom and shower so I need water.  I have towed with the tank full on several occasions and haven't had any sway.

My TV is a supercrew with a 6' box.  Is that longer than yours?  That may be the difference.  I also have the heavy duty trailer towing package and could tow 11,000 pounds if I wanted to, but I am not sure that would eliminate sway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2017 at 2:58pm
With that short a vehicle I would go ahead with the WDH and sway control.
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