Originally posted by furpod
I can tell you, at least in part, why the manufacturer or dealer don't give exact numbers in the way you asked about.
Because it would take them tons of time and effort, and they would never be exactly right anyways. EVERYBODY loads and equips a trailer differently.
It's like asking "how much does a new truck cost? since there are only about a million different combinations.. the answer is..
The only time they KNOW the weight, is at the end of the assembly line, and that's the numbers they give you. Those are NEVER going to be the "How owner Bob loads and uses the trailer.". and can't be.
For instance, our Lance brochure says the 2295 is 4640 dry and 665 tongue, "dry weights"
Our yellow construction sticker says: 5178 with full propane tanks (3).
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No no no.... No one is demanding or asking the trailer makers to know how an OWNER will load or change their trailer.. They don't know Bob, and they don't care how he loads. Why should they.
The makers of trailers DO know EXACTLY what each trailer off the line weighs!! They really really do!! They know axle weights, hitch weights, and gross weights, and empty weights and with propane and with a battery..All of it.
Even when they have optioned a trailer differently, YES, they know precisely what that particular combination will weight!! They know because for safety's sake they had darn well better know!!.
So ideally they could display:
Trailer No Cargo weight (INCLUDES PROPANE AND BATTERY) :XXXX pounds
Trailer tongue weight (INCLUDES PROPANE AND BATTERY): XXX pounds
Trailer weight with full fresh tank (INCLUDES PROPANE AND BATTERY) :XXXX pounds
Trailer tongue weight with full fresh (INCLUDES PROPANE AND BATTERY): XXX pounds
Trailer weight with full gray (subtract from fresh) tank (INCLUDES PROPANE AND BATTERY) :XXXX pounds
Trailer tongue weight with full gray (subtract from fresh) tank (INCLUDES PROPANE AND BATTERY): XXX pounds
Just these three characteristics would be an excellent starting position for ANY prospective owner. Tongue weights CHANGE when water is moved from the fresh tank to gray and black tanks. Black tanks are usually smaller and therefore don't get a lot of water, but they may be rear mounted or front or mid mounted depending where the toilet is on the floor plan.
Even adding a known battery weight on a battery tray should be a wight factor that is known, since the distance from the tongue is known and the distance from the rear axle is known. Just multiply the weight by the factor and there you go, increased tongue weight known instantly. No need to guess.
Adding a propane tank is the same. Known distances and known weights, you can easily get a factor for calculating accurate tongue weights.
Every trailer owner who loads heavily for a camping trip should OWN a tongue scale and use it just often enough to get a good feel for what their situation is. It wouldn't even need to be done every trip it the load is nearly always the same. Once those initial weights are shared by the trailer makers, an owner could make safe informed decisions.
If the numbers that trailer makers actually advertise are plain WRONG, then they are entirely at fault, not the purchaser. Trying to place fault on a purchaser who has asked all the right questions about weights and made their tow vehicle capabilities KNOWN before making a purchase, and been told the wrong information, then buy a trailer, and it is UNSAFE to tow with their tow vehicle is just plain wrong.
That's my predicament. A +370 pound tongue weight difference (no cargo) in what I was TOLD, and what the reality IS....