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    Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 7:54pm
One thing present in an R-pod that isn't in your home WH is road vibration. Sure, the rod is supposed to dissolve, but it sure looks frangible in the mean time. I would speculate that a rod would dissolve to some point, then during the bouncing/jolting down the road (or fire road, or whatever) little bits of it might get shaken loose.

That's a pure spitball, but I'd put it up against the other possibilities.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 4:47pm
For what a new one costs, about $10, I'd replace it.  
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Dave, I don't think I made myself clear.  The connection points for the calrod of the electric heating system, at least based on what I saw when I pulled out my old burned up one, are still exposed even if the calrod is broken into pieces, or eroded away.  If the electric heater element energized, then there is electricity at the calrod connection points that may accelerate the galvanic corrosion action.  

In marinas the more that current leakage occurs, the faster that galvanic corrosion takes place.  In fresh water there are less minerals that can conduct electricity, but that doesn't mean that there are none.  The more minerals in fresh water the faster the corrosion can take place.  If you are running pure Sierra Nevada snow melt water in your fresh water system of your Pod, I suspect you will get years of use from your anode rod.  [Which has been my experience as this is what I usually use to fill our water tank and our anode rod has been in the water heater 3 years and is barely corroded.]  If you draw your water from a place that provides water for a mineral bath resort, I'll bet you will find your anode rod will get used up much faster, especially if there is current introduced from the place where the burned up calrod used to be attached.

But, I will certainly defer to corrosion experts who know far, far more than I do about the process of galvanic corrosion.  I did google the issue, though, and found several sites that discuss the quetion.  Basically, they say that when dissimilar metals are exposed to a conductive liquid and some kind of electrical contact, galvanic corrosion will take place.  The idea of using aluminum, zinc, or magnesium on sacrificial anode rods is that they are more susceptible to corrosion, thus, as long as they are present they will corrode first.  Here is one of the articles:  https://www.assda.asn.au/technical-info/technical-faqs/galvanicdissimilar-metal-corrosion

The difference between most people's water heater anode rod durability and that of the water heater in the Pod is exposure to electric current.  Most gas water heaters are not connected to a 120vac system unless there is a recirculating pump.  Thus, the electricity they get is what gets in through the ground, conductive water and or metal pipes.  [Another advantage to pex plumbing, I suppose.]  The less electric current exposure, the more slowly the anode rod is consumed.  In the Pod, on the other hand, there is 12vac supplied to the tank via the calrod and even though the current leakage may be minimal, it's still there.  Add high mineral [conductive] water and you'll be replacing anode rods regularly, but at least your water heater is protected.  I suppose the next question is how big are the anode rods in an electric water heater and how long do they last.  I asked Google and she wouldn't tell me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by lostagain

On possible source of stray current could be the electric heating element.  Many people don't know where the switch is for the electric heating element and unintentionally leave it on, along with the water heater breaker, erroneously thinking the operation of the heating element is controlled by the switch on the galley that only controls gas heating.  The burned up heating element still has an open circuit going to it even though the actual element is broken, thus providing a potential for leakage of current into the water.  

In marinas, where some have a lot of stray current in the water while others don't, you see a big difference in how fast the sacrificial zincs protecting the propellers are eaten up.  Some make it a season or two, while others can't last even six months.  


Well that's one theory I suppose lostagain. I wouldn't think you wouldn't be having any stray current running from the tank to the anode if the heater element is off or open. Maybe its the combination or gas and electric, I don't know? I also didn't know our hot water tank is glass lined like a house hot water tank and always assumed it was stainless steel? Either way its strange how these anodes get eaten away in such a short time in a RV, like ours, compared to a house hot water tank anode.

In my case I would swear that it was flakes of this anode rod that plugged up one of my water lines since I always use filtered water. This line didn't clog until the camper was almost a couple years old which I would imagine discounts any debris left in the hot water tank, water lines, or holding tank that might of accumulated during manufacturing.

As for the marine environment and sacrificial ground anodes and why the zinc gets eaten away faster at one marina over another. I think that its possible that, at least in a salt water environment, the salinity of the water comes into play. In fresh water it maybe the PH level of the water that effects the sacrificial anode wear? Do we have a chemist among us that can tell? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 8:13am
On possible source of stray current could be the electric heating element.  Many people don't know where the switch is for the electric heating element and unintentionally leave it on, along with the water heater breaker, erroneously thinking the operation of the heating element is controlled by the switch on the galley that only controls gas heating.  The burned up heating element still has an open circuit going to it even though the actual element is broken, thus providing a potential for leakage of current into the water.  

In marinas, where some have a lot of stray current in the water while others don't, you see a big difference in how fast the sacrificial zincs protecting the propellers are eaten up.  Some make it a season or two, while others can't last even six months.  
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https://www.airxcel.com/suburban/products/water-heaters

Suburban says our tanks are porcelain lined. So DavMar, you are asking a good question, I don't know why the anodes in our RV tanks might disappear faster than in home tanks. They could have about the same surface area of exposed steel (presumably just the fittings), so I could see them using up the anode at about the same rate, maybe.

I haven't personally experienced the RV anodes going faster, and now that I've been using a tankless home water heater for several years I don't have anything to compare it to. Is that the general experience on the forum? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 1:26am
The illustration is accurate for any hot water heater anode as to showing what used up looks like.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 11:10pm
Most residential electric water heaters have a lining, usually glass or enamel, so the anode rod is only really protecting the protruding metal parts, fittings, heating elements, possibly some surfaces of the steel tank exposed to the water, etc...so I suspect that is why the anode rods last so long.

I have NO idea if our little 6 gallon RV water heaters are glass-lined, but I would assume not, since they also are heated externally from a propane burner that is heating up the steel tank itself. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by offgrid


The anode material does dissolve, it enters the water in ionic form, keeping the less reactive steel water heater tank from doing so instead.  Or at least that is how its supposed to work..... 


Tars posted an informative link to a chart of anode wear..... except...... it's for home hot water tanks not RV's and I've been told, right or wrong, there is a difference. I understand the theory, offgird, but I have to be honest I am perplexed as to why an RV anode in a short time will dissolve but that most home hot water tank anodes will outlive the heater. What's up with that I wonder???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

Yeah, maybe, but that looks pretty good for a two year old anode.  I don't know where the sacrificial material goes -- I thought it dissolved, but even if it flakes off, removing and flushing the screen at faucet is norma., trivial, maintenance.


The anode material does dissolve, it enters the water in ionic form, keeping the less reactive steel water heater tank from doing so instead.  Or at least that is how its supposed to work..... 
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