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GlueGuy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2702 |
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Well, it certainly doesn't seem like it would save space. Maybe a few pounds, but I'm with lostagain. I think all you really need to do (if you want to save the 48 lb water weight) is to not fill the WH before you leave. Sure you lose 6 gallons, but it wouldn't be there with the tankless either.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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The RV tankless water heaters fit in the same space as the tank ones.
You do save the 6 gallons of water. As we all know, the only way to get that 6 gallons out of the tank is to pull the anode. Otherwise, you're just ferrying around 6 gallons of dead water weight you can't use. No water tank, no 50 lbs of dead weight. If you leave 6 gal out of the fresh water tank you only have 24 gal water available, not 30. That's probably fine if you don't boondock. |
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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If weight is really that critical that you can't manage the weight of the 6 gallons of water in the water heater, then you've probably got too much stuff in your trailer and may want to consider getting a bigger one. I did a little poking around on the Internet and found a tankless water heater that is a direct swap for the Suburban on Amazon. It runs about $600. It weighs a little less than half the weight of the Suburban, thus saving you an additional 24 lbs. [The Suburban cost almost $500.] https://www.amazon.com/Girard-2GWHAM-Demand-Tankless-Heater/dp/B019BWN8E2/ref=sr_1_24?crid=KZEQQ40ZYQX9&keywords=tankless+water+heater+for+rv+propane&qid=1549717924&s=gateway&sprefix=tankless+water+heater+for+rv%2Caps%2C201&sr=8-24
Tankless water heaters are activated by flow, so you have to run it long enough to get the flow hot. I'm using one right now every day for a shower and it takes quite a bit of water passing through the system before the water from the heater gets hot enough to be useful. That amount will depend on the starting temperature of the water, the distance to the point of use, the flow rate, and the efficiency of the heat exchanger. So, you'd want to compare how much water you will use to get usable hot water from both the tankless and tank systems.
My suspicion, based on using one every day here in Colombia, is that you'd use pretty close to a couple of quarts to a gallon before getting useable hot water. And if you take mariner's showers, you are going to have to reheat each time you turn the water off and on. [The amount of reheating depends on how long it's turned off and the ambient temperature of the fresh water in the tank.] In contrast, the tank gives you nearly instant hot water with each turning off and on, the delay being the distance from the tank to the shower and how fast the hot water in the line cools off.
Given the limited tankage, both gray and fresh, and the higher level of water use for a tankless water heater, if you boondock, such a system may not be the best option. On the other hand, if you tend to stay in RV parks with full hookups and don’t have to worry about a limited supply of water and gray water tankage, then such a system could be ideal. So, the decision really depends on how you use your shower and sink, whether the extra use of water needed to get useable hot water is more efficient than lugging around an extra 65 lbs. of water and water heater for the tanked system. I'd be interested in your experience if you change out your unit for a tankless, so please let us know. |
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Motor7 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 2019 Location: E. TN Online Status: Offline Posts: 196 |
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I don't think they are done getting smaller yet. The RV ones now are designed to fit the opening of the old tanked ones so that is why they are so large. Sooner or later, a mfg will come up with a more compact gas fired one that will take up maybe 1/3 of the present designed compartment. Then we will gain storage and lose some dead weight. Just think of how many bottles of Bourbon could fit in there(that's Not dead weight)! Until then, I'm not in a hurry to swap mine out, but just daydreaming about the future.
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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Making room for Bourbon is a non-sequitur for me. I don't like it and don't drink it. Now, if you were talking about tequila Herradura Reposado that'd be a horse of a different color. Gaining storage from a smaller tankless water heater makes the equation change and since it is a question of trade-offs, that may be the balance tipper. The other issue is cost. Many of the tankless systems are pretty pricey and for those of us on a limited budget, it just doesn't make sense, even if we are in need of replacement of the exiting Suburban water heater.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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The space around the current water heater in my 179 is under the bed so is wasted anyway. And you have to have clearances for the hot flue gasses so I'm not sure its either needed or desirable to have a much smaller tankless unit.
If money is no object you can get a Truma Comfort Plus and remove both the current furnace and water heater, it performs both functions. Its a hybrid design with a 2.6 gallon tank to address lostagain's point regarding water waste while the on demand system heats up after sensing water flow. It will save about 50 lbs total weight including the the net water weight savings, plus the space saving from replacing both existing units. And, the furnace section is actually quiet, addressing another issue that has prompted some members here to add heat exchangers to the hot water systems. Only catch? Ya have to have about $1500 burning a hole in your pocket...
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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If you had to replace both your heater and water heater, something like the Truma Comfort Plus could really make some sense. The question is whether it would be worth it in an older Pod. If you planned on keeping it a long time after the switch it may be cost effective, but if you tend to turn over your RV's every so often, it may not be such a good idea.
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offgrid ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
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For a luxury class B the Truma makes lots of sense, they are tight on space and what's a thousand dollars more on a new $100K plus RV? As a retrofit for budget conscious travel trailer owners, not so much.
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lostagain ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2595 |
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I looked at some of the tankless RV water heaters in Amazon. The issues in this review were not uncommon: "I have a Girard tankless water heater in my 2014 Jayco Motorhome. It is by far, the worst water heater that I have ever had in my 35+ years of camping. I am not sure how the Precision Temp RV-550 Tankless Water Heater works, but if it is anything like the Girard, Don't get it. I am having the tankless water heater removed and replaced with a standard 6 gallon Propane/Electric Water heater at a cost of $1700. The tankless water heater will not hold the temperature that you adjust it to and the water fluctuates from scalding hot to ice cold over and over again. This is because the water pressures in campgrounds fluctuates all the time and tankless water heaters do not work well because of this. This is extremely dangerous when taking a shower. Take my advice, until the tankless water heater companies address the fluctuating water temperature problems, stay with the standard 6 or 10 gallon water heaters." It looks like the technology needs a little fine tuning. The complaint in this review is exactly what I experienced with my first tankless water heating system back in 2002 in an apartment where I lived. |
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GlueGuy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2702 |
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We have two water heaters in our house (it was built in two different stages). The south (original side) has a conventional tank-style water heater. We've replaced it a couple of times over the years. It works fine and is steady. Nice hot water.
The north (addition side) has a tankless heater. Understand first that this tankless heater was new in 1995. We've never replaced it. It does not supply a "lot" of water, but it does OK. By itself, it supplies hot water to one or two sinks. However, if you need to fill a tub, or take a shower, you need to enable the "booster". The booster is electric and uses something like 6KW of juice (~~ 30 amps at 220 volts). I can hear the electric meter spin when that puppy is on. I'm sure tankless heaters have improved in the 25 or so years since that thing was made. If I had to do over again, I would install point-of-use tankless heaters in the two bathrooms. As it is, you have to wait about 3 days for the hot water to make it to the sink.
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