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    Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 8:20am
I think we have a whole piece of society that still lives at home with their parents and when the go to a park, Mom's not with them so they have no idea of how to act.:)
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Well, we had one former President who challenged over 100 men to duels, and killed one. There were frequent fistfists on the House and Senate floors in the runup to the Civil War, as well as guns drawn. So nothing new but OTOH that period of "lack of civility" led to the near failure of our nation, and to the deaths of about 2% of the US population. That's the equivalent of 7 million people today. 

If we want to avoid repeating history we need to select leaders who behave with civility and sincerity, rather than continuing to reward the opposite behaviors. Unfortunately it appears that most folks now view civility as a sign of weakness. Just my $0.02. 
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Posts: 3419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2019 at 6:10pm
Not sure about that G2. I thi9nk we only see what we are allowed to see. There have been violent confrontations.
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Originally posted by offgrid

"civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is subject to proof"
-JFK

Unfortunately as it seems neither of the above are recognized or rewarded they are quickly disappearing from American life.
if it's any consolation, the lack of civility is not an especially recent phenomenon. Reading the (sometimes hard to find) history of times past, it seems that civility often broke down. At least they don't have fist fights as seems to be a "thing" in some countries.
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"civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is subject to proof"
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Unfortunately as it seems neither of the above are recognized or rewarded they are quickly disappearing from American life. 
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Somehow reminds me of that old adage, character is reflected in how one acts in the face of adversity, not how they react in face of easy. I've heard and seen examples of this numerous times in the recent past. As a senior citizen I'm appalled in what people say and use as free speech. The lack of respect present in America. It is apparent in more than words, also deeds.
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+1 to Glue Guy's last post.
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Originally posted by David

Again, IMHO, the "shut down" isn't really the issue/problem - it serves to highlight a battle that is waged daily in/on our public lands.
You are right on that. It's not about a wall, it is all about PR.
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One common "theme" that seems to be suggested in this thread is that of "personal responsibility". We seem to agree that folks should simply "play by the rules" and "do the right thing" - as a matter of respect and consideration of the public lands and fellow users.

Folks could learn from our forum, in this respect. For instance, we refrain from some (4) subject matters, not because they are inherently bad/wrong but, because we have respect and consideration for those who's beliefs may differ from our own.   

Again, IMHO, the "shut down" isn't really the issue/problem - it serves to highlight a battle that is waged daily in/on our public lands.

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I think you're right, but when we don't understand how what God has made works, how He designed it to evolve and change, etc., we tend to come up with excuses to justify our own interests when we use these gifts.  We also attribute to God, that which we prefer rather than what really is.  

In science we try to discover "how things work" and often get it right, but often we don't.  (I still don't understand why science abandoned the exquisite and simple theories of alchemy. Wink)  The more we understand how things are put together and how they work, the more we won't mess things up quite so badly.  But, the bottom line is that in matters of "improving" in what our Creator made, sadly we are rarely honest about our motives and conclusions.

Bottom line, we are animals who try to survive and we make up the rules to promote what we think is in our interest.  But like all animals, we overgraze, over predate, and piss in our drinking water.  We're not, in the last analysis, any different from the elephant that destroy its own habitat for for one more meal.  If we were truly honest with ourselves about living in a world as God created it, we'd have a very different way of living.  But that isn't going to change, because, after all, we're humans.
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