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texman
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Topic: Texman 182g Mods Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:12am |
this the farthest point in the plumbing from the water heater and pump. This is the tremendous wasted space in the 182g that is between the bathroom and the rear kitchen and underneath the bottom bunk. only accessible by lifting the mattress.
This is where the second normally closed valve will go that will be controlled by the thermostat that is sensing temps close to zero to actuate and open. i store my manuals in the box in the pic here.
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offgrid
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:20am |
Texman, great progress. Are the two identical valves solenoid valves? Can you share a link to those?
Thanks
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:26am |
The two identical valves are automatic ball valves that are normally closed. 30ma draw each to hold open then close on no power.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:31am |
another pic of the test fit.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 9:50am |
costs
2 x motor ball valve normal closed=$32.99ea x2 =$65.98 motor valve Rev pol=28.99 barb T=10.79 1/2" npt to SB x 5 = 34.25 man SB valve = 13.76 hose clamps = 5.00? pex pipe = 5.00 dpdt switch = 8.20 wire = 20.00? wire terminals = 5.00 ?
Labor = FREEish $ 196.97 w/o sales tax. About the cost of 1 1/2 tank heating pads. so cheaper and can be used while boondocking. i'll call that a win!
Thanks Off grid for the concept.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 10:03am |
Thanks, good find. I think I'll probably just get a single nc ball valve as I no longer mix my cold and hot water anyhow.
Looking forward to hearing how it all comes together. The part I'm thinking will need some testing might be the freeze temp sensor location. I'm thinking right where the pump suction line leaves the fresh water tank might be the best spot. Should be the first place to freeze and the last place to get warm. Where are you planning to put yours?
I found a link to the little thermostat's instructions. Not all functions were enabled on mine.
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texman
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 10:22am |
off grid
that is a good suggestion for the location of sensor. I really haven't decided yet and planned on doing some testing of locations at or near the fresh water tank. near that suction line makes the most sense to me too. The sensor is waterproof as well (supposedly) and i was wondering if it could be immersed in the tank somehow, but i have not figured out a way to do that yet.
The proximity of the pod heater to the suction line on the 182g may cause me some misreading. I will have to test.
Thanks for the instructions.
Edit: I have an infrared heat sensor that i will use to test temps around the pod. Plan to complete the install and begin testing this weekend.
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offgrid
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 12:00pm |
I wouldn't trust leaving it immersed for long periods myself, I've seen too many supposedly waterproof things go south. But that's me. You'll probably need to extend the sensor wires. Its a 10Kohm thermistor IIRC so shouldn't be any problem extending it as long as you want to.
If the calibration offset function doesn't work on yours (it didn't on mine) you can just offset the "on" setpoint instead. A glass of icewater would make a good known temperature source for calibration, its guaranteed to be at 32F/0 C.
The IR temp gun is a good idea for probing for the lowest temp location. It might not be that accurate in absolute terms but you're only looking for relative temp differences anyway.
It takes out 1 BTU per pound of water to cool it 1 degree F. It takes 144 btu out to freeze 32 degree water into 32 degree ice. So as long as we keep the water moving through the system and the tank reasonably full its going to take a really long time to freeze all that water, even if we put in only a small amount of heat. That was why I was thinking it might be good to keep the water heater temp relatively low and run the pump to circulate the water a little longer. Let's see how it works out for you.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 12:17pm |
That's a very interesting set up texman. It looks like it will work very nicely.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2019 at 1:53pm |
offgrid i plan to add the second Tstat to the water heater as you did to get a lower heat set point. I still need to get under the pod and trace all the water lines and add pipe insulation as necessary to the exposed lines. I think you mentioned insulating the tank as well with closed cell insulation. I am still in planning as far as the tank insulation. i will test with uninsulated first and see how it goes.
lostagain
thanks and the tests are about to begin. supposed to be freezing temps this weekend for me at night so should be good to test.
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