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mjlrpod
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Topic: Batteries Posted: 23 Apr 2023 at 10:18am |
I feel kinda stupid now. No actually I feel very stupid. My surveyor already can support lithium batts. It's an auto detect system for whatever type of batt you install. I had no idea till I saw your comment, and I went and took a look. I would have thought my service guy might have mentioned that when I had a conversation about batts with him.
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StephenH
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 7:00pm |
It depends on your Surveyor. If it has a WFCO WF-8900 series power center, it is the proper unit. How old is your Surveyor? If it is new, you might have the unit like the Grey Wolf that is compatible with LiFePO4 batteries. If not, then we can discuss price in a direct message.
Considering that a LiFePO4 battery can last 10+ years, and can be drained below 50% without damaging it plus other advantages such as weight savings, the cost isn't as steep as you think. Yes, the battery costs more than the typical Pb-acid battery, but over the lifetime, you will likely need to replace the Pb-acid battery/batteries multiple times while you would still be using the LiFePO4 battery. LiFePO4 batteries also charge quicker. They don't need a float charge and the have a very slow self-discharge rate. The expenses other than the battery are the converter upgrade (if needed), and a DC to DC charger since your tow vehicle likely won't charge the battery as you are driving. This is because the newer "smart" alternator control circuits think the TV battery is charged and reduce the output to save gas. The trailer battery supplies what the TV needs so you arrive with the trailer battery partly discharged. I set up a separate charge circuit with a battery isolation solenoid for the TV that can feed a circuit connected to the DC to DC charger which then charges the LiFePO4 battery. The Grey Wolf came with solar, but it has a cheap PWM charge controller. I purchased a Renogy MPPT controller which will let me connect the TV power in addition to the solar panels. That means that I won't need the Renogy 20A DC to DC charger that I had been using in the RPod either. The last thing you would want would be useful even if you stayed with Pb-acid batteries. That is a way to monitor state of charge. The one I have mounts a shunt through which the negative terminal is connected. It drives a meter that shows voltage, amps in/out, and percentage of charge. It is much better than the "idiot" light gauge that was in the RPod. There is some wiring that will be needed, both for the TV and the trailer if you were to duplicate what I did. However, you may be able to skip the TV part and use the power from the 7-way if your TV cuts that power when the engine is off. You could disconnect the wire from the 7-way on the trailer end and connect up a wire to a DC to DC charger instead. You can't just connect the DC to DC charger into the trailer's existing wiring for supply because then it would be like trying to use the battery power to charge the battery. It just doesn't work. I detailed the installation in my mods. I removed that equipment and the only things I will be using for the Grey Wolf are the 200 AH LiFePO4 battery and the monitor. Anyway, I hope that is helpful.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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mjlrpod
Senior Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 1214 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 5:59pm |
Hi Stephen, I don't have my pod anymore, Not sure if that unit works with my surveyor. If it did, what would you want for it? I really hate to get started down this path right now cause it would require new converter, new super expensive batts, and a new controller. Not sure what all that costs.
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StephenH
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 11:32am |
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StephenH
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mjlrpod
Senior Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 1214 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 10:05am |
The reason I didn't look at Lithium batts (Li4po) is the cost is much higher, and I would have to install a new power box (converter). I just didnt want to go thru all that, and adding expense, if I could make this work. I completely agree with you though, in 5 - 7 (maybe sooner if needed) years I will seriously reevaluate.
Hey did you ever get your hughes autoformer installed in your new unit? I got mine done, but had to add a power watchdog to it so I could monitor the power thru bluetooth, My autoformer in behind my converter, under the fridge and unseeable. |
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gpokluda
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 9:42am |
I know a pair of golf cart batteries seems to be the solution of choice for many of the RVers that have been doing this for along time. I’ve never been a fan mostly because of size and weight. Plus, unless you have a sealed battery box setup with proper ventilation, you are stuck mounting them to the tongue thus increasing tongue weight. I know several manufacturers now only offer lithium batteries since they provide the same amp hr in a smaller package and can be securely placed in the coach. Plus initial dollar outlay is coming down. I would look at a lithium setup once these batteries reach end of life in 5-7 years.
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Gpokluda
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mjlrpod
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 2023 at 1:17pm |
Thanks for the info. Once I get my 100 watt panel mounted (to make a total of 180 watts) I think I should be able to keep my DC fridge running for about 3 days, 4 with lots of sun. If I want more than that, I would need a new controller. Thats a "next year" project.
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jato
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 2023 at 12:39am |
Yes, Yes, maintenance is key for battery longevity! I do this as well, keep terminals clean with baking soda and check water levels; pretty easy. Even during the winter here in northern Michigan both batteries had water levels checked and were given a 24 hour 2 amp trickle charge on Nov. 1 and 2 last year. After that they were placed directly on a concrete floor in an unheated garage where they remain now. Once/month their voltage level is checked with a multi meter. As of yesterday the Interstate reads 12.61v and the Trojan is at 12.68v. As we boondock often, voltage is checked daily, when battery reads 12.2v it is swapped for the other 'fully charged' battery.
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Pod People
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2023 at 9:29pm |
I agree with Jato. We have used 2 6v GC2 batteries for the last 5-6 years with good success. We initially bought them from Sam's club because we thought that as we traveled we could easily find a Sam's most anywhere. We did in fact have to replace them once under warranty. I think they were Duracell brand. They were ok-better than a single 12v and got us started. In Jan 2021 we were headed to Florida and the batteries crapped out again-still in warranty. we stopped along the way at a golf cart store and bought 2 Trojan t-105 6v GC2's. They have 225ah each and have been flawless so far. As I recall, they were about $160 -165 each. The only issue that I have had is the need to buy a new double battery box and the additional 80+/- pounds of tongue weight. So, good for you. I think you have made a wise move going to the GC2's. the fact they they are not maintenance free is NOT a big deal. Just check the water levels and fill with distilled water occasionally. I try to check once a month, but honestly in almost 2.5 years, I have added a small amount of water only once. I have cleaned the terminals with baking soda and a stiff brush and check connections for tightness. Travel safe and often Vann
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mjlrpod
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2023 at 5:30pm |
Ok, thanks guys. I hate that they don't write all the info on the batteries, and of course the counter people only know how to say " I don't know". They are installed and everything is working good.
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