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Tire replacement - Event Date: 18 Jan 2023

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    Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 4:47am
To be clear, If your asking, I'm not recommending Westlakes or Goodyears or Carlisles or any other particular brand. The brand I bought was Loadstar but I have no basis to recommend that brand over another. None.

My recommendation is to forget the brand. Ive taken a couple graduate level marketing courses. Buying anything by brand is a shortcut consumers afraid of making a mistake take when they don't have enough actual information to make an informed decision. Companies know that very well and play on those fears. So unless you have actual 3rd party data supporting the decision to buy one brand over another (not just a company's marketing BS or some guy who'd rather blame China for his blowout than check his tire pressure)   you're only doing that so you feel better. Which is fine if that's how you want to spend your money.

So my recommendation is to buy premounted ST tires and aluminum wheels on line from Eastern Trailer or wherever. Do the research to be sure that both the tires and wheels you buy have a load rating (in pounds not letters) around 25% above your axle rating. That choice, unlike brand choice, makes logical sense and has an actual engineering basis behind it.

Get wheels with a 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern. Get 15 inch wheels and tires and put on the lift kit if you don't it already.

Have the tires and wheels delivered to your home and put them on yourself. Good practice for when you have a flat later, and if it's time you can inspect your electric brakes and repack your bearings while you have your trailer jacked up.

Then sell your old tires and wheels on CL. Some guy who needs tires and wheels for an old boat or utility trailer he only uses for local towing will be happy to have them. Keep your new tires inflated to their rated pressure. Check them before starting out every morning when youre on the road.

That's my recommendation. Worked great for me doing it that way, and it's got an actual technical and financial basis justifying it.

If you dont have the time to do that (relatively minor) amount of homework then that's fine by me too, just buy by brand.
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i have carlisle's and like alot.  jon
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Originally posted by offgrid

 
BTW  I don't subscribe to the "China bomb" theory or feel the need to buy "name brand" tires. Others may differ, not starting a debate here  just my semi-educated opinion. By all means spend the money and get name brand tires if it makes you feel better. Just know there's more to selecting the proper tire for your application than just the brand. 
At the moment Goodyear Endurance tires are running about half the price of Westlakes (possibly due to the Goodyear ST225/75R15s being available through Tire Rack and the Westlake ST235/75R15s through eTrailer. $163 vs $337/tire). It sort of made the decision for me.

If you're aware of a better source for the Westlakes I'd appreciate it but I'm planning to pull the trigger on the Goodyears in a week or two.
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Check the
 https://www.nhtsa.gov/equipment/tires
West Lake has several "bad" tires.  The one on the R-Pods are not on the list.
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We had the OEM Westlake tires, which were LRC, but were rated for ~~ 2400 lbs. Never had an issue with them other than they were a bit squishy from only being inflated to 50PSI. When they aged out, we replaced them with LRD Carlisle tires. The LRD tires are a lot stiffer (65 PSI), and it seems like they ride with a bit less bounce than the OEM tires.
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Under inflation and hitting potholes and debris on the road can destroy even the very best made tires.  Moral of the story, monitor the tire pressure very carefully and and try not to hit road hazards on the highway.  No tire is indestructible.  
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Originally posted by offgrid


BTW  I don't subscribe to the "China bomb" theory or feel the need to buy "name brand" tires. Others may differ, not starting a debate here  just my semi-educated opinion. By all means spend the money and get name brand tires if it makes you feel better. Just know there's more to selecting the proper tire for your application than just the brand. 

I think the China bomb reputation has resulted from FR and the other lower end trailer manufacturers' practice of using  the absolute minimum load rated tires (1750 lbs on the 179) they could get away with. Running marginal tires, especially at less than recommended tire pressures, is a recipe for blowouts regardless of the tire brand. 


+1  Our first two sets of tires were "C" load range, the first were Tire Kings, the second Hartlands.  The only issue with the original Tire Kings was that when thinking about replacing the tires in the future (after owing the 177 for 4 years) it was noted that FR installed tires that were already 2 years old when I picked up the brand new 177 in March of 2011.  So the originals went 6+ years w/o issue which was good.

OTOH, friends had purchased the all too publicized goodyear endurance only to have one blow out after 6 months and kindly removed the fender as well.  So even those expensive tires can have problems. 
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It isn't a question of "China bomb," but the quality of the components and manufacturing process.  The Carlisle 205R/15 D range tires are made in China.  I have only had one other brand of tires on either of our trailers:  Westlake.  They are of very poor quality.  I had problems inexplicable air leakage, rapid tread wear, and separation of the tire carcass from the tread rubber on a tire that had less than 3000 miles on it.  The rubber compounding is critical in tire quality.  Cheap rubber compounds do not last and are more frequently found on low end tires.  The tire construction is critical.  The bonding of the rubber, especially the tread rubber to the carcass is critical.  If it is not done correctly, you will get a dangerous tread separation.

Though there are certainly exceptions, generally buying a well established brand name improves your odds of getting a better quality product.  A knockoff fake Makita drill motor, though it looks almost identical to the real one, doesn't last as long.  I am a fan of Harbor Freight for many tools, but there is a discernible difference in quality especially in some of their electric tools as compared to DeWalt or Bosch.  My Tacklife laser measuring tool was 1/3rd the price of the Bosch I ended up replacing it with.  The Tacklife couldn't measure consistently, and was garbage.  Though there are bargains to be had, generally you pay for what you get.

The only problem I've had with our Carlisle tires is I picked up a small nail right on the edge of the tread at the sidewall and the hole was not repairable due to the location.  Thankfully, I discovered the problem while getting ready for a trip.  I ordered a replacement tire.  When I was getting ready to take it to a tire store for mounting, I started to mount the spare temporarily, but found the spare had a giant bubble in the side wall and tread.  I ended up buying two more Carlisles.
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I bought premounted 15 inch Loadstar LRD tires and wheels from Eastern Trailer. That gave me a nice upgrade from 14 to 15 inches, 1750 lb load rating  to 2150 (IIRC) for both the tires and wheels (yes  wheels have load ratings too, and FRs 14 inch ones were also only 1750 lbs), and more ground clearance. You do need the lift kit on your trailer to have enough fender clearance for the larger diameter tires. If you upgrade wheels be sure to stay with  the 5 on 4.5 bolt circle. 

And no mounting fees, I put them on myself for free. Then I sold my old 14 inch tires and wheels on Craigslist, came out less overall  that what just new mounted tires alone would have cost. Mounted used trailer tires are easy to sell for someone who needs a set to put on an old boat or utility trailer. Unmounted used tires are worthless because of the remounting fees.

BTW  I don't subscribe to the "China bomb" theory or feel the need to buy "name brand" tires. Others may differ, not starting a debate here  just my semi-educated opinion. By all means spend the money and get name brand tires if it makes you feel better. Just know there's more to selecting the proper tire for your application than just the brand. 

I think the China bomb reputation has resulted from FR and the other lower end trailer manufacturers' practice of using  the absolute minimum load rated tires (1750 lbs on the 179) they could get away with. Running marginal tires, especially at less than recommended tire pressures, is a recipe for blowouts regardless of the tire brand.  

So be an educated consumer and  get tires  rated around 25% higher than 1/2 your axle rating (your choice as to brand) and keep them  inflated at their rated pressure (cold). The approx 25% load safety factor  is what tire engineers seem to typically recommend as a good balance between load capacity and ride stiffness. Look at the actual manufacturers' load ratings in lbs not the c,d,or e letter ratings. The letters don't correspond to specific load ratings in pounds, the latter vary with manufacturer and tire size. 

 There is no benefit in under inflating ST trailer tires, all that does is produce more sidewall flex which can overheat the thick sidewalls of ST (special trailer) tires. Some folks buy LT (light truck) tires rather than STs. You can do that of course (just be sure you get a similar load capacity safety factor), but the disadvantage vs ST tires is higher rolling resistance. STs are designed for the high pressures and stiff sidewalls, as well as with non aggressive tread patterns, so that they have minimal rolling reistance. LT tires have to compromise that for better traction and unloaded ride stiffness, not things that need to concern you on a travel trailer.
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