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    Posted: 11 Aug 2022 at 1:41pm
Our previous two campers the r-pod and Vibe had torsion axles so when we bought the Vista Cruiser with a leaf spring axle I was concerned it having a rough ride. But I can't tell the difference between the torsion axle and the leaf spring axle. We have a thirty year old aluminum utility trailer with a torsion axle and it has worked very well though when towing empty it bounces a little. When we had our r-pod we drove over a railroad crossing which was a bigger bump than I had expected and I think the r-pod went airborne for a few feet and it handled very well. So by my experience a torsion axle may have more of a bounce than a leaf spring axle.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mjlrpod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2022 at 10:52am
Originally posted by lostagain

 
mjlrpod, what is the chassis configuration on your new trailer?  Is it the box beam type configuration like the rPod or do they use I-beams for the frame rails?  We'll watch for it as we drive through MA this weekend on the way to NH's White Mountain National Forest. Wink

My leafs are also mounted on the exact end of the axle as well, I'm very happy about that. I'm always so afraid of bending my axle. 
I really don't know the frame config at this moment. I think it's the same as the pod. It won't be delivered until sometime in September, so I won't know till then. It's a 2023 and so far there is no documentation on 2023's, I believe none have built yet, to know what the new model year will be.
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It's not that either leaf springs or torsion axles are better or worse, it's just that the engineering considerations and objectives are different.

Torsion axles are light, compliant and are self dampening, but inherently create stress points that leaf springs don't.

So it depends on what the designers objectives and specs were. In the case of rpods the designers were looking for low cost, light weight, and a compliant suspension. They weren't looking for high clearance or to take high g forces from running rough roads at speed. So the design objectives favored the use of torsion axles. High ground clerances and better ability to handle g forces would favor selection of leaf springs.

It's not that torsion axles can't be designed to be more robust and have higher clearance, they can. Its just more costly to do those things than   thanif the designers chose to use leaf springs. You can even reinforce the frame and axle on your rpod to address those weak points if you want to.

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My Sonoma also has leaf springs that, as I've mentioned before, are mounted right at each end of the axle so there is no overhang or cantilever issue.  We've never had any issues on rough roads, though always take my time and do my best to avoid jolting impacts.  The biggest impediment to rough roads is the height of the torsion bars on the WDH.  

mjlrpod, what is the chassis configuration on your new trailer?  Is it the box beam type configuration like the rPod or do they use I-beams for the frame rails?  We'll watch for it as we drive through MA this weekend on the way to NH's White Mountain National Forest. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mjlrpod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2022 at 2:56pm
My new camper, surveyor legend 19rble, has leaf springs. I assume thats a good thing? Is it better, worse, or equal to a torsion axle? Some roads I travel fairly often are pretty bumpy. 
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Coachman Embarrassedresponded to my question on their Catalina Expedition series by speculating their claim the trailer was offroad-ready came from the torsion bar axle.

For some reason I now disavow, I towed the Gastropod along a 25 mile section of forest road into a camp on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River so I had all the amenities for four days of camping. That road gets hammered by heavy trucks, vans and school buses bringing whitewater rafters and their gear to the launch site, then their empty trucks and trailers back out. My trip took three hours in and the same back out, varying between 1mph to 20mph, averaging 10mph. Lost my black water drain pipe as the hanger rod threading stripped from all the hammering on the holding nut, but that was the only obvious harm.

Remarkable resilience to obvious abuse.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chasl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2022 at 10:12am
We accidentally got on a road like that near Chaco Canyon. It was about 20 miles of the worst washboard I 've every driven, and I am used to dirt roads. I don't think it harmed our axle on the Rpod, and I was traveling without water or waste, but it shook a lot of stuff loose in the trailer. I would have done a u-turn but there's no room to do so on those roads. I was fortunate that some locals gave us some directions back to paved highway, because it wasn't apparent how to do that, and in that region the phone signal was too weak. Not that I would rely on google maps or apple maps again. I was following google maps directions. It turned out ok, but was a road I would not take my Rpod over again. C
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Post Options Post Options   Quote offgrid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2022 at 8:10am
I think it's fine as long as you don't create impacts. Just rolling slowly and carefully through potholes isnt going to result in high g forces. As long as youre not bottoming out (or in Jatos case not flooding the trailer) an rpod should handle it ok. It's just going to take time, so try to do it when you won't be blocking faster traffic (like hikers or mule teams).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pod People Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 2022 at 9:30pm
I think the absolute roughest road that we ever traveled was going to Chaco Canyon. The better road was closed for repairs and we had to go in the east entrance, which is dirt-red dirt.  It was about 14 miles of  ruts , washboards and washouts. I doubt that I rarely got to 10 mph. It took us over 2 hours to get there. It was a great time at Chaco and the good road was repaired by the time we left.
Rpods are not made for that-and I have always felt guilty about doing that to our trailer.  but sometimes you just gotta go
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How true.  A few years ago we planned on a NFC on Lake Superior in Michigan's UP.  For a couple days before that an unprecedented rain event happened.  The road was dirt and below the grade of the surrounding area.  It took us over an hour and a half to travel 4 miles to get there, the water was 6-8" deep and I was so glad I had installed risers a few years earlier.  At one point I had to stop as the water was over a foot deep.  At that point it was a consideration to turn around but there was no way to do it as the road was too narrow.
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