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offgrid
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Topic: New R-Pod 192 owner Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 6:22am |
No one is saying not to weigh it. We all said to get your weights (get all of them, not just the trailer) and I provided a procedure and a calculator link to make it easier to get and track all the data. But you have to weigh the fully loaded trailer and tow vehicle, passengers, fuel, water, batteries, everything as you will want to be traveling. You will have the real weights that way, forget all about the empty weights, those are useless.
Then if you are in spec and willing to watch every additional pound and run your rig right at it’s max rating, that’s up to you. Most folks find pretty quickly that they don’t want to do that. It’s too constraining and you don’t have the level of authority needed to manage the rig in an emergency.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 6:08pm |
Pedwards that is exactly our plan, worse case we trade up the TV if we find it's not working.
Thanks for all the feedback, we certainly appreciate it.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 6:04pm |
All I am saying is load it up and weigh it.....not everyone is going to be loaded to max, people have dfferent needs. The consensus on this forum consistently been sell your TV and buy a larger one. I am saying weigh it and then you know. That is what I did and I am within specs but marginal....not over specs. If your weight is over specs then you at least can make a informed decision. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:59pm |
Pedwards2932, The 4900 lbs. came from the GVWR (rounded up from 4860 - the published number from the spec's - dry weight + payload). The dry weight is an alternate reality that doesn't exist in the real universe. The manufacturers shouldn't even publish it because so many people rely on it to figure out whether they can tow with their current vehicle. By the time you add personal stuff and food and drinks, LP, batteries, some water (fresh, gray, and black), etc., you're going to be very near the GVWR. You may leave with less, but when you go dry camping and fill your waste water tanks and have a little fresh water, it really adds up fast at 8.34 lbs. per gallon. If you travel alone with nothing in your Santa Fe, you'll likely be able to keep the total weight a bit under the 5K, but if you take your spouse, your pet, and the other normal camping stuff in your car, it is almost certain you'll be over weight, a dangerous situation, not to mention that you'll find that your drive train will really show the wear and tear quickly.
It wouldn't hurt, just to be on the safe side, to talk you a Hyundai dealer about your particular vehicle's towing and weight capacity and tell them you plan to tow a trailer that approaches 5000 lbs. I don't think they'd say it's a good idea. And if they do, ask them to put it in writing. Same for your rPod dealer. Ask him/her to put in writing that your Santa Fe can handle the GVWR of the 192. You'll see her/him run out the door to get away, yelling that aliens have landed in the parking lot.
Unfortunately, too many trailer dealers tell people that they can tow with seriously inadequate vehicles because they want to sell trailers and if you have to rebuild your transmission or have an accident, they'll deny ever saying anything about whether your vehicle had the needed towing capacity.
Be careful about calculating your weight capacity in your Santa Fe. You need to look at the CGVWR (Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - the absolute limit for your vehicle and towing load), not the payload. The payload rating is for a vehicle filled with gasoline, passengers, and their stuff. It's not an add on to the towing capacity.
There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on this board who advise not to tow at or near your TV's capacity. Most will tell you to have a 1000 lb. margin of error between your load and your capacity. They speak from experience. No one here want to see this end badly for you or your family.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:59pm |
Originally posted by happurpal
Good points all regarding tow capacity with our TV. We have done quite a bit of research on the towing capacity of the Santa Fe, most people seem to have little difficulty with appropriate suspension support and WDH. The tongue weight is an issue I think we can mitigate with careful storage. It might be a lesson to learn but our TV is paid off so we are going to try it and see what happens. |
It’s always easy to find someone on the Internet who says something jyou would like to do is ok. Doesn’t make it so. If you are set on keeping the Santa Fe can you consider a lighter trailer? I hope by see what happens you mean you will weigh the rig fully loaded as you intend to use it, as opposed to just getting out on the road. If you are overweight on any of your weight limits you are at best illegal. If you wreck you can be found negligent in any litigation that might ensue. Don’t do it. Please be safe and legal.
The 4900 lb figure is I think intended to be a rough estimate of the the max gross weight of the 192 which appears to be listed at 4840. DOT requires the max gross weight to be not more than the axle rating (4400) plus the listed tongue weight (440). If you actually loaded the trailer that way your tongue weight would be only 9% of trailer weight, not good. You need to stay at the very least at 10%, 11-12% is better.
Most of us find our actual trailer weights to be much closer to MGW than to empty weight. As an example my 179 actual weight (water, dual batteries, single propane, limited supplies and gear) is 3750. The current empty weight is listed as 3046 and the max gross weight is 3815 (the listed empty weight was even lower back in 2015). The tongue weight is right at 500 vs 315 listed. That is my max but I like it that way as it gives me 13% on the tongue which gives me headroom when I shift that water back to gray tank from the fresh tank .
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pedwards2932
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 4:24pm |
The Sante Fe with 5000 ib tow has a payload capacity of 1138 lbs. The dry weight on a 192 is 3449 lbs not sure what the out the door weight is but it should be on the VIN# tag. So you add the batterys and LP tanks and that would be the empty weight. Not sure where 4900 lbs came from but I would take it to som CAT scales so you know exactly what you are dealing with then you don't have to guess.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 3:28pm |
I pull a 195 with my Frontier. My 195 weighs just about the same as your 192. My frontier has a 6,000 plus tow capacity, and 1400 # payload capacity. I would say I have just enough truck to pull my rig without any worries. I also think if you were taking your 192 out for a couple trips a year, not going to far from home, you might be ok if you're careful. But going cross country is serious towing, and I would agree it's not going to be enjoyable.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:37pm |
Good points all regarding tow capacity with our TV. We have done quite a bit of research on the towing capacity of the Santa Fe, most people seem to have little difficulty with appropriate suspension support and WDH. The tongue weight is an issue I think we can mitigate with careful storage. It might be a lesson to learn but our TV is paid off so we are going to try it and see what happens.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:21am |
+1 Excellent point! Safety first.
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Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 6:50am |
Welcome.
lostagain is correct. Your Santa Fe won’t be up to the task of towing a 192. It’s sad that we do often see this on the forum, IMHO the RV sales folks don’t do their job in making sure their customers have the proper two vehicle when they sell a trailer to them.
The 5000 lb rating on your Santa Fe assumes it is empty except for the driver. If course, that is not the real world, you will want to have gear and passengers in it. It also will most likely have a hitch rating of 500lbs. The tongue weight of your trailer will be more than that, the 440 lbs listed by FR is optimistic to say the least. If you want to boon dock and carry water, dual batteries, and propane it will be north of 600 lbs. Ditto for the listed empty trailer weight, you will wind up closer to the max gross trailer weight in practice. I tow a 179 with my Highlander, also 5000 lbs rated, and that’s the most trailer I’d consider hauling with it, and we pack very carefully. Bottom line is you will need a bigger tow vehicle or a lighter trailer. A good rule of thumb is to get something with a tow rating at least 1000 lbs over the trailer max gross weight. That will give you some ability to load gear in the tow vehicle as well as the trailer. Also, check to be sure your TV manufacturer allows you to use a weight distribution hitch.
Here is the calculator la was referencing. You should fully load up the trailer and tow vehicle and you can weigh at a public scale. Weigh adding one axle at a time with and without the trailer. Trailer weight is total rig weight minus weight of tow vehicle without the trailer. Tongue weight is combined weight of tow vehicle axles with the trailer connected minus the weight of the tow vehicle by itself. All the other weight specs for the calculator will either be on the tow vehicle drivers door sticker, the trailer sticker, or in your TV owners manual.
https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php
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