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Tars Tarkas
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Topic: Tractors and Hobby Farming Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 6:33pm |
ROPS is a good idea but I've never had it and I'm still alive. I have had a friend who lost his son to a rollover though, so they are absolutely no laughing matter. For me though, I have rough land and have to be careful bushogging, but I mow under low hanging branches a lot. ROPS would be a real handicap. Before my MF 35 I had a John Deere 1010 gas tractor. No ROPS but it had a muffler that stood straight up. I knocked it off several times. The MF muffler runs under the rear axle, kind of like a motorcycle. Never a problem with getting under things. However, for rough bushhogging you have to be really careful backing up! There are all kinds of things I'm dumb enough to have had to learn the hard way.
My friend's son was on an old trike style tractor, I don't remember what kind. It doesn't take much to tip them over. A tractor with front wheels on about the same track as the rears is a lot safer. Arguably, certainly, ROPS is less necessary on a tractor with wide-set front wheels. I wouldn't have a trike stile tractor.
Although... I had another friend whose father died when his bull dozer flipped over on him.
I guess the moral of the story is take things slow until you get comfortable on your tractor. You have to pay attention all the time.
Oh, yeah, one thing I think is really important for a new used tractor is to make sure the brakes work well. Being able to use the right or left brake to help make sharp turns is great and, as far as I'm concerned pretty much eliminates the need for power steering.
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offgrid
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 2:00pm |
Well at least the rust color is applied locally for free, you can get it around here with any and all the other colors...
Yes, VOIP via sat data is out for my wife's work, she's on the phone all day. Other than that I see the latency as a benefit because it makes the connection useless for online gaming when the grandkids visit. 
If I have to go with sat data I'll probably need to also install a landline. Remember those? Haven't had one in 10 years. Almost like having to climb the pole to make phone calls like on Green Acres....
I do like wireless local internet. One supplier has already surveyed and said no line of sight, I still have one more to get out there. US Cellular (of all companies) actually has towers in the area and offers fixed location internet service but its throttled more or less like mobile cellular.
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CharlieM
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 1:03pm |
My two cents worth: Consider delay time before you commit to a satellite service. The satellites are 22.5K+ miles away and introduce considerable delay. This is not a problem for downloading or streaming but can affect two way and interactive applications. Video conferencing is probably out. I even noticed problems when trying to access my home remote cameras from a friends satellite system. Also, search for local broadband providers that may offer ground based microwave systems. These systems work fairly well if you can see their tower.
As for the tractor search, I can only say 'I wish". I'd love to have a tractor to play with but settled for a zero turn riding mower for my 2.6 acres. When I had 20 acres previously I had a small Case tractor, but alas, it's gone. Good luck on your search and have lots of fun. Orange vs red vs green vs gray vs rust......Hmmmmm.
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Charlie
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offgrid
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 11:47am |
Originally posted by Olddawgsrule
I'm assuming you have already done a tower search and find them to far for a Yagi & Booster.
Ha, you're within my drive possibility for the right deal! You're smart enough to work out what the requirements are for you. Best of in your research! |
Actually I haven't yet, cell data plans are throttled and my wife works from home and uses lots of bandwidth, so I want to try dsl first and see how that works. But now that you mention it I might see if I can pull in a decent signal, at least that would be something for when the phone lines go out.
I don't have a rig that can tow a 3000-4000 lb tractor plus its trailer so that is going to limit my search area quite a bit unless I can find a seller who will deliver.
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offgrid
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 11:40am |
Vann, I think your advice is good. In fact, your area is not far from me so if you hear of something you think is a good option please let me know.
I have no problems getting a well maintained older smaller farm tractor rather than a newer compact utility one, except for the lack of a ROPS. Some can be retrofitted I guess, but it gets pricey.
Gas vs diesel I don't think is a deal killer for me, gas will start easier in winter, diesel will have less maintenance. But I can adjust a carb and know what points and condensers are, not a big deal.
I looked at a 1980 Yanmar today, nice 2wd tractor and heavier than I thought it would be, kinda close to a 50's Ford in terms of weight and wheelbase. It had a 4 speed pto which I'd never seen before. 26hp diesel. 12 fwd and 4 rev gears with something called powershift, automatic hydraulic clutch with a sychronized gear drive. No ROPS so I'll find out if it can be retrofitted.
You're right about collecting the attachments, those can quickly cost more than an older tractor.
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Pod People
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 10:02am |
Seems like, as always, there are too many choices and
options and it’s hard to actually compare them because they are so divergent.
I may be repeating myself from the earlier posts-but here is
what I think:
I do know that most of the later model (’65 on) tractors had
power steering available-some standard, some as an option. So that requirement can
go either way-newer compact or older small farm tractor.
My tractor is gas, so I have no experience with diesel. I can’t address the advantages or
disadvantages.
The reversing PTO may be a dream-I just know that I was dumb
enough to screw my tractor into the ground the first time I dug holes for my
pole barn. I do know that both ground speed (for plowing) and engine
speed(mowing) PTO are available on my old MF.
I seldom use the ground speed mode but usually use engine speed for
mowing. My MF 35 also has a dual action clutch which makes engaging/using the
PTO much easier.
I would definitely say that the scraper blade is more
versatile that the box blade. I have
used both and ended up selling the box blade.
I can’t help with front end loaders-no experience there. I
know that you will probably have to add weights to the rear to compensate for
the extra front weight. You also will
need additional hydraulics(pump, reservoir, hoses, etc)
Cost may be a determining factor. I see “older” tractors in the $5-8k range
pretty frequently in our central NC area. Buying implements can be all over the
place costwise. I haven’t priced newer compact
tractors, but assume they are much more expensive. So, if you can find a well
maintained older tractor, I feel like you can get more for the $$$ spent. The maintenance
is pretty easy, the tractors are simple and parts are generally available at
reasonable cost. However, these older tractors are not a sophisticated-one
tractor forum guy says”after all, you are dealing with ‘50’-60’s technology”.
I have purchased tractors, implements and parts from dealers
and from individuals. Had some good and ‘just
ok” results from both. Lots of on line
sources for parts.
I would suggest that you start with whatever tractor you can
find somewhat locally at a decent price, knowing that may not be the ultimate
tractor you end up with. Then start acquiring
the necessary implements as needed. All of
the implements with be “standard” for 3 point hitch and PTO. After you have more experience with what you
actually need and want, then you will have more information to get the “perfect”
tractor for what you really need. Getting a tractor now will get you
immediately started, will let you know what you like/dislike about the tractor
and give you time to find the better unit.
Regardless of what tractor you purchase, I would suggest
that you buy ALL of the manuals you can find for that model-owner’s, workshop,
parts lists and get both the original OEM manuals as well as aftermarket. Particularly on older models the manuals go
out of print and can be pretty expensive, but are invaluable. Also, like RPODS, there are forum for
everything.
Good luck
Vann
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Olddawgsrule
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 10:00am |
Originally posted by offgrid
OK, back "on grid" so to speak. Going to need sat internet at the new place I think..,
Olddawgsrule, no worries, I"m not going all he way to New England to buy a tractor, and I'm not in a huge rush to buy one anyhow, not even being sure yet what I want/need...God luck on your purchase!
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I'm assuming you have already done a tower search and find them to far for a Yagi & Booster.
Ha, you're within my drive possibility for the right deal! You're smart enough to work out what the requirements are for you. Best of in your research!
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offgrid
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 5:40am |
Yeah, it isn't 12 acres of manicured lawn, that's for sure.....
I've toyed with the idea of getting a UTV and a tow behind weed and brush mower rather than a tractor. That would have the advantage of having a lower center of gravity (smaller wheels) and the UTV would be convenient for other uses. and for my wife to carry stuff around in. But those tow behind cutters are generally only about 4 ft for trail mowing which would take forever and likely not hold up long. Probably by the time the pastures were cut I'd have to start over.....
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podwerkz
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Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 9:45pm |
If you need to mow even half of 25 acres, 12 acres or so, you should consider something like a Toro Groundsmaster....they can be had used for not a huge amount of money. Assuming your pastures are relatively smooth and mostly all grassy.
Of course if the terrain is difficult, rough, stepped, heavily contoured, or there is a lot of weeds and brush, then....nevermind....
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offgrid
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Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 8:27pm |
Ha ha. I hate spell checker sometimes...
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