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jato
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Topic: Replacement Battery Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 4:41pm |
I planned on replacing my lead acid batteries a long time ago but here is where I am. Currently have 2 12v Interstate deep cycle group size 24 batteries that are 9.5 years old. We use them most of the time as we usually boondock so they are used extensively. We use 1 until it drops to 12.3 v and then swap out for the other. Our worst case scenario's are camping when night temps are mid 40's or less - furnace runs mucho - each lasts 3 to 3.5 days giving us a total of 6 to 7 days boondocking (no solar or generator). Summer time 1 battery lasts over a week, more than we need as we do not stay in one place during the summer for more than 3 or 4 days.
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Olddawgsrule
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 4:36pm |
Originally posted by podwerkz
Just to be clear, AGM and GEL are both, lead acid batteries. The OP want to get away from those, so that pretty much leaves LiFePo4, cobalt, di-lithium crystals, flux capacitors, cold fusion in a mason jar, zero-point modules, or, a hamster in a wheel.
(there's my dry humor again, lets see if I'm gonna get in trouble this time also)
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Did you just mention 'Capacitors'? Flux or not.. I'm a fan of. Silliness aside.. Find a slow draw capacitor and you a have product that beats all else out there... Guess we're still awaiting that 'flux' part...
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 4:01pm |
You can get a gopher snake to chase the hamster on the wheel and substantially increase output.
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podwerkz
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 3:54pm |
Just to be clear, AGM and GEL are both, lead acid batteries. The OP want to get away from those, so that pretty much leaves LiFePo4, cobalt, di-lithium crystals, flux capacitors, cold fusion in a mason jar, zero-point modules, or, a hamster in a wheel.
(there's my dry humor again, lets see if I'm gonna get in trouble this time also)
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Colt
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 3:31pm |
Tony,
Why do you need a new battery for a 2-y.o. camper?
Lead-Acid (Pb-SO4) batteries are still with us for very good reasons, one being cost. A flooded cell Pb-SO4 battery will *generally* provide greater surge capacity, good for starting engines. But they require water additions periodically and lose life if ever discharged below 50%. An A_bsorbed G_lass M_at Pb-SO4 battery *generally* has a longer life, no/low maintenance and higher A-Hr capacity for a given size; they are considered spill-proof. AGM batteries make good solar battery banks because they don't need to produce huge surge currents and are no maintenance. AGMs cost a little more. Gel based Pb-SO4 batteries are also spill proof, low/no maintenance and can be mounted in any orientation. Because the gel can't circulate, they are not good candidates for starting duty and they are expensive.
What you want is a deep cycle battery, sometimes called solar or trolling motor battery. Their chemistry is a little different and allows discharge to 70% without undue damage. If you buy an AGM Pb-SO4 battery, it will last longer and not need water. I recommend the largest AGM(s) that will fit in the battery rack. https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=deep%20cycle%20battery
My R-pod came with a 75 A-Hr Group 24 deep cycle 12V battery. More A-Hrs won't hurt.
ALL batteries need maintenance charging. If left sitting a Pb-SO4 battery will self discharge at the rate of 5% to 16% a month (depending on temp). I have a battery disconnect for my battery to keep the little bit of stuff that runs in the trailer from killing it. Plus I added a 25 watt solar panel and a Battery Tender charge controller to keep it hot when not in use.
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Olddawgsrule
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 3:01pm |
Trying to stay away from LA's, aye... Sorry dude, they've been my friend for years! Used to be you bought a set, you had them for your lifetime. Not so much anymore... My friend is going away..
A Lot to be said for Gel and AGM's, yet not experience with either (remember my friend?). Reasons for going that way (which I never did) and many have (it's new and improved).
I left my LA's behind (goodbye old friend) and have gone Lithium Iron Phosphate as the replacement (LiFePo4).
LA's have been the standard for years and service well if you treat them well. I'm not a fan of 12v batteries for our usage and do like 6v's paired up. Dollar for dollar, I've yet you see any other surpass the life expectancy of a good pair of LA 6v's. And here I am changing to Lithium...
I don't expect this Lithiums to outlast my old La's.. I hope they can come close.. I went this way mainly for weight and having them in a better location. Well, and they go into standby so nicely, usage in the house in winter as a UPS, or reasons go on and hopefully prove out.
Your choice of battery comes from, cost (how much you wish to spend), use (what you expect to get back), what effort you wish to put into this and finally how you re-charge (amount of time required/allowed/system).
Keep your options open. Don't be swayed by marketing.
I love my La's (my old friend) and switching to Lithium. Take my statement as just MHO and what I'm doing.
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 2:48pm |
The factory supplied converter is set up for lead acid batteries. To upgrade to more exotic batteries that don't use lead acid, you will need to replace the converter to get full use of the new battery chemistry.
Like most other upgrades, how much are you willing to spend to make this upgrade happen? And why do you prefer to get away from lead acid? (other than better performance) Unless you boondock (off-grid) alot, the standard lead acid batteries are normally adequate for most campers, most of the time.
And yes, they will work on shore power converters even is there is some blurb on the label that says it will work with (or was designed for) solar power.
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tony rpod 180
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 1:47pm |
I need a new battery for my 2018 R-pod 180, confused on what type I should get. The good ones I look at say marine solar, stores solar power etc...
Will this type take a charge while on shore power?
Should I use gel type, lithium ion, trying to stay away from lead acid.
Any advise would be appreciated.
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