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    Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by lostagain

On possible source of stray current could be the electric heating element.  Many people don't know where the switch is for the electric heating element and unintentionally leave it on, along with the water heater breaker, erroneously thinking the operation of the heating element is controlled by the switch on the galley that only controls gas heating.  The burned up heating element still has an open circuit going to it even though the actual element is broken, thus providing a potential for leakage of current into the water.  

In marinas, where some have a lot of stray current in the water while others don't, you see a big difference in how fast the sacrificial zincs protecting the propellers are eaten up.  Some make it a season or two, while others can't last even six months.  


Well that's one theory I suppose lostagain. I wouldn't think you wouldn't be having any stray current running from the tank to the anode if the heater element is off or open. Maybe its the combination or gas and electric, I don't know? I also didn't know our hot water tank is glass lined like a house hot water tank and always assumed it was stainless steel? Either way its strange how these anodes get eaten away in such a short time in a RV, like ours, compared to a house hot water tank anode.

In my case I would swear that it was flakes of this anode rod that plugged up one of my water lines since I always use filtered water. This line didn't clog until the camper was almost a couple years old which I would imagine discounts any debris left in the hot water tank, water lines, or holding tank that might of accumulated during manufacturing.

As for the marine environment and sacrificial ground anodes and why the zinc gets eaten away faster at one marina over another. I think that its possible that, at least in a salt water environment, the salinity of the water comes into play. In fresh water it maybe the PH level of the water that effects the sacrificial anode wear? Do we have a chemist among us that can tell? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 2:14pm
Dave, I don't think I made myself clear.  The connection points for the calrod of the electric heating system, at least based on what I saw when I pulled out my old burned up one, are still exposed even if the calrod is broken into pieces, or eroded away.  If the electric heater element energized, then there is electricity at the calrod connection points that may accelerate the galvanic corrosion action.  

In marinas the more that current leakage occurs, the faster that galvanic corrosion takes place.  In fresh water there are less minerals that can conduct electricity, but that doesn't mean that there are none.  The more minerals in fresh water the faster the corrosion can take place.  If you are running pure Sierra Nevada snow melt water in your fresh water system of your Pod, I suspect you will get years of use from your anode rod.  [Which has been my experience as this is what I usually use to fill our water tank and our anode rod has been in the water heater 3 years and is barely corroded.]  If you draw your water from a place that provides water for a mineral bath resort, I'll bet you will find your anode rod will get used up much faster, especially if there is current introduced from the place where the burned up calrod used to be attached.

But, I will certainly defer to corrosion experts who know far, far more than I do about the process of galvanic corrosion.  I did google the issue, though, and found several sites that discuss the quetion.  Basically, they say that when dissimilar metals are exposed to a conductive liquid and some kind of electrical contact, galvanic corrosion will take place.  The idea of using aluminum, zinc, or magnesium on sacrificial anode rods is that they are more susceptible to corrosion, thus, as long as they are present they will corrode first.  Here is one of the articles:  https://www.assda.asn.au/technical-info/technical-faqs/galvanicdissimilar-metal-corrosion

The difference between most people's water heater anode rod durability and that of the water heater in the Pod is exposure to electric current.  Most gas water heaters are not connected to a 120vac system unless there is a recirculating pump.  Thus, the electricity they get is what gets in through the ground, conductive water and or metal pipes.  [Another advantage to pex plumbing, I suppose.]  The less electric current exposure, the more slowly the anode rod is consumed.  In the Pod, on the other hand, there is 12vac supplied to the tank via the calrod and even though the current leakage may be minimal, it's still there.  Add high mineral [conductive] water and you'll be replacing anode rods regularly, but at least your water heater is protected.  I suppose the next question is how big are the anode rods in an electric water heater and how long do they last.  I asked Google and she wouldn't tell me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 4:47pm
For what a new one costs, about $10, I'd replace it.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 7:54pm
One thing present in an R-pod that isn't in your home WH is road vibration. Sure, the rod is supposed to dissolve, but it sure looks frangible in the mean time. I would speculate that a rod would dissolve to some point, then during the bouncing/jolting down the road (or fire road, or whatever) little bits of it might get shaken loose.

That's a pure spitball, but I'd put it up against the other possibilities.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 1:30am
Sounds very pausible GlueGuy.

Here's an article saying that aluminum anodes in particular are prone to fall apart in the tank. Once the particles are no longer connected to the tank electrically they will probably stop becoming ionized in solution and would just rattle around in there or get sucked into the water lines. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 7:52am
Interesting topic.  I ask this to throw some more mud in the mix.  Our 177 was built January 2011.  I don't know what material our anode rod was made of, however I am still on the original anode rod and it still almost look new even after 8+ years.  We normally boondock and the other noteworthy item to note is that we always use well water, usually ours.  Our HW tank has never seen or had muni water in it.  I wonder since many use city or municipal water that is loaded with a lot of chemicals, be it floride, chlorine or a host of other chemicals I dare not mention, could it partially be a culprit in shortening the life of the anode rod? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 8:38am
We also should consider the ever present poltergeists that inhabit nook and cranny of the Pod.  I can picture one gnawing away on the anode like corn on a cob with a devious smile.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 9:37am
We have well water at home as well. One thing I know is that our well water has a relatively high dissolved solids concentration. It's within what's considered safe standards, but is probably high compared to what might be in a public utility. We always start with some of this water in our FW tank.

The other (potential) issue is the PH of the water in your well. You get what you get, but the odds of it being neutral PH are probably slim.

I will also put poltergeists on our checklist.    Clown
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 10:25am
You might want to consider that the faucets weren't clogged with flakes from the anode rod but rather precipitated calcium salts.  Many calcium salts precipitate out when water is heated.  The anode rod addresses galvanic deteriation in plumbing components but not the calcium problem. If you camp someplace with high calcium levels in the water you also get clogging of the plumbing.  The solution is to remove the anode rod, flush the tank, reinsert the anode, and clean the faucet screens.  If you are lucky to have naturally soft water, this won't be a problem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 11:42am
That's one of the reasons we fill our water when we're in the Sierras instead of at home.  We have very hard water and the softener doesn't treat the faucet that can supply water for our Pod.  Snow melt is about as good as it gets.
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