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Topic: Tow vehicle stance? Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 3:22pm |
Almost like two conversations here. The OP and Bum /GlueGuy. A WDH does transfer weight. Not necessarily to a front axle but across the tow rig, to include the trailer axle. So height at rear axle lifts. I agree the rear sagging is an indication of a possible problem. The object is level, if you don't have that a WDH is a good consideration.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 2:25pm |
Originally posted by TheBum
Originally posted by GlueGuy
It still ends up the same way. For most pickups with the back end higher unloaded, adding a WDH will tend to level it. For most passenger vehicles, with the stance level unloaded, adding the WDH will bring the back end up and tend to level it. I would say that 90% of the time adding the WDH will tend to level the whole setup (TT + TV).
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Our Highlander sits noticeably (but not significantly) lower in the back with our 179 hitched up through our E2 WDH than unhitched, but the front end is at the same level both ways. FWD vehicles may be more sensitive to this than RWD or AWD because of all the extra linkages. |
I'm not saying it's a hard and fast rule or anything. However, when I see a TV/TT combo that is significantly out of "level", I immediately suspect that something's not quite right. There is certainly an amount of tolerance, and it will vary between vehicles, but it's something I keep in mind when I observe.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 11:20am |
Originally posted by GlueGuy
It still ends up the same way. For most pickups with the back end higher unloaded, adding a WDH will tend to level it. For most passenger vehicles, with the stance level unloaded, adding the WDH will bring the back end up and tend to level it. I would say that 90% of the time adding the WDH will tend to level the whole setup (TT + TV).
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Our Highlander sits noticeably (but not significantly) lower in the back with our 179 hitched up through our E2 WDH than unhitched, but the front end is at the same level both ways. FWD vehicles may be more sensitive to this than RWD or AWD because of all the extra linkages.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 6:12am |
I think they are meant to tow and the design of the vehicle to include the rear suspension is designed to compensate for load to a point. Once that load is more than the vehicle's suspension can compensate for and is within reason, the decision is the operators to add additional help, like a WDH. I don't recommend you enhance the suspension, but some folks do. The best option is to transfer the weight and that is what a WDH does, not make the rear go higher or sag less, which is what suspension enhancements do. You have to be within the tow capacity of the vehicle and I'm sure you know that which is what I mean by "within reason".
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Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 9:14pm |
I have just been checking out a lot of 7 seat SUV,s for their stance because at some point I want to go bigger than my terrain. It seems that the GMC ACADIA is like my terrain with the rear sitting higher in the rear. The Ford Explorer is higher but didn’t seem like too much difference. But the Toyota Highlander seems to be level, as well as the hyundi Santa Fe. I would guess it would sit lower once loaded and a trailer attached. I guess most of them are really not meant to tow with even though they sell them with tow packages.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 4:16pm |
Originally posted by TheBum
Originally posted by GlueGuy
And either kind of vehicle will (should) be level if hitched with a WDH (weight distribution hitch).
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Not really. The front end is usually designed to handle a certain amount of weight. If you completely level the vehicle with tow weight attached and a WDH, you're transferring more weight to the front end than it was designed for. What you should shoot for is no change on the front, i.e. the height of the front wheel well before and after attaching the trailer should be roughly the same, with the excess weight on the rear end. |
It still ends up the same way. For most pickups with the back end higher unloaded, adding a WDH will tend to level it. For most passenger vehicles, with the stance level unloaded, adding the WDH will bring the back end up and tend to level it. I would say that 90% of the time adding the WDH will tend to level the whole setup (TT + TV).
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Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 3:42pm |
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Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 12:41pm |
Originally posted by GlueGuy
And either kind of vehicle will (should) be level if hitched with a WDH (weight distribution hitch).
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Not really. The front end is usually designed to handle a certain amount of weight. If you completely level the vehicle with tow weight attached and a WDH, you're transferring more weight to the front end than it was designed for. What you should shoot for is no change on the front, i.e. the height of the front wheel well before and after attaching the trailer should be roughly the same, with the excess weight on the rear end.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 9:17am |
Mine is level without a WDH, if it were not I'd consider a WDH.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 9:05am |
And either kind of vehicle will (should) be level if hitched with a WDH (weight distribution hitch).
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