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    Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 7:22pm
First I've heard of one actually failing. Glad you got it fixed!
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Finally got in to the Ford dealer as they finally got an answer from the 'experts' from the big boys at Ford Motor support.  Here is what they originally did: install a temporary overlay between C1242-14 and 439-A wire/solenoid.  Retest - fail.  Replace trailer brake controller (TBC) with a NEW ONE (yes) and removed the temporary overlay wiring harness.  Test - pass.  So in essence, it was indeed the brake controller.  Glad to have this matter behind us as we have a lot of podding ahead of us.  In two weeks going to the 'thumb' portion of Michigan followed by a month in Colorado (RMNP) and Utah - national parks.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2019 at 4:55pm
+1 - this is a one wire problem, you can check operation of TBC without the trailer, then the "complete" circuit issue is next.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2019 at 7:48am
Originally posted by jato

Update July 19,2019.   Not only is there the brake issue but in addition now I get "trailer disconnected" message when I push the brake pedal and "trailer connected" when the brake pedal is released.  

Looks like the trailer disconnect error is a common problem with the Ford TBC. Check out this thread for example. Some folks have apparently fixed this with a separate solid ground connection between the trailer and truck. You might want to try that and see if it helps. 


Personally, I don't think you have two problems , just two symptoms of the same problem. Either you have a bad controller as you suspect of you have an intermittent open in the brake circuit somewhere that is both keeping the brakes from working sometimes and indicating to the controller sometimes that the brakes aren't connected. Those intermittent connections can be really hard to pin down. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2019 at 7:46am
Jato,

I will be interested in what you find. Shouldn't be this complicated. The brake controller output is easy to check (one wire). Then it has a complete circuit loop it monitors. Personally think there is a wiring issue, something is wrong with the blue wire.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2019 at 1:40am
Jato, my recommendation: buy and install an inertial Tekonsha brake controller.

https://www.etrailer.com/dept-pg-Brake_Controller-pm-Tekonsha.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxJDyv_PH4wIVAb7ACh0xkQKoEAAYASAAEgL3UPD_BwE

They work well and cheaper than the gas you are burning to the dealers.

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Update July 19,2019.  At Ford dealer for almost 2 hours.  They ran test after test and are scratching their heads. Not only is there the brake issue but in addition now I get "trailer disconnected" message when I push the brake pedal and "trailer connected" when the brake pedal is released.  On my way to the dealer also got "check brake system" on the info screen.  Left truck running when I got there so they could maybe diagnose that as well.  So nearly 2 hours later with truck running the whole time, and with an outdoor temp of 96, technicians were unable to come to any difinitive conclusion.  Monday morning they will contact the "experts" at Ford and get their take on all this.  So my cost today was just my time (3 hours) and fuel (truck running the whole time as well).  They will get me next time when the 'big boys' decide what and where the problem (s) lie.  In the meantime I still think it is all related to a bum TBC.  Hopefully in the next week or two I can give you the "final answer." 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 8:41pm
Update, Ford dealership installed new wiring bundle that goes to Bargman and also new Bargman plug and added a lot of di-electric grease.  Told me it is good to go.  Since we were traveling to Manistique (U.P.) Michigan the next day I made an appointment from the dealer I purchased our 177 from (Hilltop in Escanaba, MI)  to check to make sure all was well with our trailer.  They adjusted the brakes, checked voltage from plug to magnets, ect.  Said everything was good to go.  On my way out I got up to 10 mph on a bit of dirt/gravel before hitting the pavement and the trailer stopped quite nicely, this was using my brake controller manually.  So we get to our campsite near Manistique and before setting up camp pulled off the main road onto a side road and decided to jack up the axle with the tire free spinning in the air.  Spun tire, had my wife use the TBC manually and the tire instantly stopped.  GREAT !  Next and final test: spin tire again and use the truck brake pedal  - - - -nothing.  So somehow I still have an issue from the brake pedal to the TBC.  Come Monday morning I will call our Ford dealer and get another appointment, at least progress is being made but s l o w l y.
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