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    Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 12:16pm
We bought our 2018 178 two weekends ago, took it to a full hook-up site this past weekend and had a blast! However, I’m concerned about dry camping and how long the battery will last with just using the lights, maybe the bathroom fan, and charging our iPhones a few times for a 2-day trip. Also, having never owned an RV before, any seemingly basic tips and tricks would be much appreciated. It seems overwhelming doing everything to keep things in optimal condition. We tow it with a 2011 Lexus RX450h.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 12:32pm
The biggest draws on your battery are the furnace blower and the refrigerator IF you run it on 12volts.  run the refrigerator on propane and you should be good for 2 nights easily if you start with a fully charged battery. However, having said that, make sure you do not waste power.  Keeps lights, fans, and all 12 volt power usage to a minimum. charge your phones, computers etc from your tow vehicle. If your battery goes below 50% charge, you will be harming the battery long term.  If necessary, you can charge the battery by using jumper cables from the tow vehicle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 12:39pm
Congratulations on a successful 'shakedown' trip in your 178!  We normally dry camp in our 177 and carry a pair of 12v. group size 24, deep cycle, Interstate batteries with us - they are now 9.5 years old and still holding up well.  First thing - purchase a volt meter or similar, I purchased mine from Harbor Freight years ago, cost was $ 4.  As Vann stated above don't run it below 50% S.O.C. (12.2 volts) before charging or swapping out to another battery.  Last year this time we were in Colorado and Utah for a month.  Even when the night temps in the Rockies were 50 or below-which they were every night, sometimes hitting 39, we were able to get 3 to 3.5 days out of one battery before switching to the other.  The furnace was the big culprit in battery usage.  In summer time we can go a week on one battery and still be sitting at 12.3 - 12.4 volts.  That is running L.E.D. lights, fridge, stove, HW on propane, and water pump on 12 volts and minimal use of the FF fan in the bathroom. 

Battery maintenance is crucial for long life.  As stated above don't run below 12.2v, keep battery and posts clean.  Once or twice a year I make a solution of baking soda and water and brush all over the battery and flush off with a water hose.  Keep an eye on electrolyte levels, keep full using only distilled water, and when not camping unhook the ground of your battery so the parasitic drains don't drain it down to zero or install a battery dis-connect. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 1:09pm
Good info about battery maintenance and usage. Having zero experience with solar and electrical wiring and stuff, what’s the simplest way to get started to charge the battery during the day? I’m thinking of avoiding mounting anything on the roof simply to be able to turn the panel(s) for optimal sun exposure when in use.

Is it safe to fill the fresh water tank and use the gray and black water tanks in very cold, freezing wintery conditions? Seems like things could freeze and crack the tanks and outside plumbing lines and such since so much isn’t insulated under the trailer. But we hope to use our Rpod year-round.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 1:27pm
Welcome.

Your Lexus is the hybrid, right? Pretty much the same vehicle as the Highlander Hybrid.  They only have a 3500 lb tow rating with a 350 lb tongue weight rating. I would not recommend towing a 178 with that, especially not one loaded for dry camping with water and batteries. That is very marginal for a 178, especially if you dry camp and carry water and an extra battery. I own a Prius so love the hybrid drive but when I bought my tow vehicle it was a 2012 V6 Highlander with tow package, not a hybrid. 

Please do yourself a favor and weigh your fully loaded vehicle, trailer, and trailer tongue to be sure you are in spec for your max combined vehicle weight, tongue weight, and trailer weight, and axle weights (which are all either on your driver's door sticker, your vehicle manual, or on the trailer sticker). If you want I have posted a procedure for doing this at a public scale which you can find using the advanced search function. If you can't find it let me know. 
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The trailer weighs 2800 pounds, so if we add 36 gallons (288 pounds) of water and another 100-200 pounds of clothing, food, and two bicycles (the bikes could be left out), would that be unsafe for the Lexus hybrid? The towing capacity of this car (which is outfitted to tow this amount, verified by Lexus) is 3500 pounds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2020 at 8:01am
Originally posted by BMac12345

The trailer weighs 2800 pounds, so if we add 36 gallons (288 pounds) of water and another 100-200 pounds of clothing, food, and two bicycles (the bikes could be left out), would that be unsafe for the Lexus hybrid? The towing capacity of this car (which is outfitted to tow this amount, verified by Lexus) is 3500 pounds.

My published 179 empty weight is 2630, but that doesn't include any "optional" stuff, or even a single battery. Loaded for boon docking (dual golf cart batteries, full fresh water tank, food, etc) it comes in at 3700. My tongue weight is maxed out right at 500 lbs. And we're not packing heavy at all. Weight adds up very quickly, and the listed trailer empty weights are optimistic. On the tow vehicle side tow ratings are listed assuming nothing is in the TV except a driver. Also highly optimistic.

Bottom line, don't guess. Weigh your fully loaded trailer and TV with gear, full fuel, and passengers, I think you'll be surprised. Check all your axle weights, trailer weight, tongue weight, TV weight, and combined vehicle weight. My 5000 lb rated Highlander is OK, but I wouldn't add any more weight to my rig.  

Here is a nice calculator to load all your numbers into, it also calculates the effect of adding a weight distribution hitch. The wdh does not give you more towing capacity or axle capacity, just rebalances the load distribution. 


You can weigh at a public scale or sometimes for free at your local waste transfer station. You have to go through the scales twice, once  with and once without the trailer. Do not have your weight distribution hitch tensioned. Get the weight of each axle by adding one axle at a time on the scale and then subtracting. When you go through without the trailer leave the wdh in the receiver. Subtract TV weight from total rig weight to get trailer weight. Subtract TV weight without the trailer from the weight you got for the two TV axles with the trailer attached to get tongue weight. 


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